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the infected district at the headwaters of the drinking supply. If this honorable committee will but control the 681,889 acres of open range in Sierra County until there is a good grass or weed covering upon it there will be no sand flow to harass the settlers on down the valley. These same facts apply to every irrigation project in the Southwest, clear on down to the little stockman with a surface tank for stock and domestic water.

Mr. Bratton, these are only some of the things which need correcting; only the very highest of the high spots. It would take days to attempt to cover it by letter. If the committee comes to New Mexico I would be glad to appear before them if I could be of service to them or more especially to this section of the country.

My solution of the troubles may be summed up in the one word-control. Control this range, cover it over with what ever will grow, hold the moisture, stop the runoff. Recently I had a short article printed in the Highway magazine of Chicago, written from the viewpoint of road construction. The article was reprinted in the local paper and the plan received many words of commendation from local business men. I want to submit it as a part of this letter.

Therein I pointed out what may be done under the present management of the United States Forest Service. I favor the Forest Service because it eliminates the element of uncertainty. I know what the Forest Service will do because I lived under it for many years. I am opposed to State control because I know also what the State will do.

I find among the cowmen that the chief objection to control of the public domain is that element of uncertainty. The little fellow fears that it will be a plan for the benefit of the big cowman and the big cowman fears that he will be gradually pinched out in the interests of the little fellow. It is a subject on which they refuse to speak except to their closest friends, but it is the stumbling block on which the cowmen and other stockmen fail to agree. Yours very truly,

Tom CHARLES,

Alamogordo, N. Mex. Mr. CAMERON. This hearing will now be adjourned.

(Thereupon, at 5 o'clock p. m., Saturday, October 10, 1925, the hearing of the subcommittee of the Committee on Public Lands and Surveys of the United States Senate was adjourned at Albuquerque, N. Mex.)

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HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEYS

Congress
UNITED STATES SENATE

A
SIXTY-NINTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

PURSUANT TO

S. Res. 347

TO INVESTIGATE ALL MATTERS RELATING TO NATIONAL

FORESTS AND THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND

THEIR ADMINISTRATION

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SI 426

As 1925 Copy

COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC LANDS AND SURVEYS

ROBERT N. STANFIELD, Oregon, Chairman REED SMOOT, Utah.

KEY PITTMAN, Nevada. l'ETER NORBECK, South Dakota.

ANDRIEUS A. JONES, New Mexico. RALPH H. CAMERON, Arizona.

JOHN B. KENDRICK, Wyoming. TASKER L. ODDIE, Nevada.

THOMAS J. WALSH, Montana.
FORTER H. DALE, Vermont.

HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona.
C. C. DILL, Washington.

R. J. DOOLEY, Clerk

SUBCOMMITTEE ON S. RES. 347

ROBERT N. STANFIELD, Oregon, Chairman RALPH H. CAMERON, Arizona.

ANDRIEUS A. JONES, New Mexico. TAŞKER L. ODDIE, Nevada.

JOHN B. KENDRICK, Wyoming. PORTER H. DALE, Vermont.

C. C. DILL, Washington.
HENRY F. ASHURST, Arizona.

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LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

RECEIVED

FEB 1 5 1926

DOCUMENTS CH

SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF., SEPTEMBER 23, 1925

Charles L. Gilmore, attorney and assistant executive officer, California

State Fish and Game Commission, San Francisco, Calif.

3707

Federal control and the migratory-bird treaty act..

3708

Opposed to the extension of the national parks in California.

3708

Disposition of grazing fees ---

3716

S. R. Black, secretary-manager, California Protective Association, San

Francisco, Calif., regarding insect infestations in the national for-

ests and national parks.---

3721

H. E. Bigelow, cattle and sheep man, O'Neill, Calif.-

3727

Cost of running 2,000 sheep in the forest reserve and in the valley -- 3729

Opposed to the extension of the national parks in California--- 3731

Long-time leases of forest reserve grazing lands on an area basis.-- 3733

Hon. Fred H. Bixby, president American National Livestock Associ-

ation, Long Beach, Calif...

3741

Regulation of the public domain, long-term leases on an area basis

at the cost of administration --

3741

The fences on the public domain.-

3743

Sale of the public domain.---

3745

Opposed to the Rachford range appraisal.----

3746

Stockmen do not desire to control the national forests.

3749

H. M. Rice, secretary California Cattle Raisers' Association, San Fran-

cisco, Calif., indorsing the platform adopted at the joint conferences of

cattle and sheep men at Salt Lake City, Utah, August 24 and 25, 1925_. 3753

D. Bidegaray, sheepman, Delpiedra, Calif..

3755

W. P. Wing, secretary California Wool Growers' Association, San Fran-

cisco, Calif., indorsing the platform adopted at the joint conference of

cattle and sheep men at Salt Lake City, Utah, August 24 and 25, 1925_ 3756

J. H. Favorite, division inspector, General Land Office, Department of

the Interior, San Francisco, Calif., regarding the homestead entry of

Enos D. Butts --

3758

Enos D. Butts, homestead entryman, Lost Hills, Calif., regarding his

homestead entry----

3760

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