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Mr. FERGUSON. Mr. President, as II may say that the Air Force officers The PRESIDING OFFICER. A quostated, the committee restored $30 mil- who testified on this matter have told rum is present. The question is on agreelion and $120 million and $15 million on me that they are nearly as confused ing en bloc to the amendments offered these items, and brought them up to about it as I am, because no one knows by the Senator from Arizona. On this exactly what the President of the United what the program is; in my opinion, the question the yeas and nays have been States has requested.
program of the Secretary of Defense can ordered, and the clerk will call the roll. At this point I wish to read excerpts best be described by using the descrip- The legislative clerk called the roll. from the hearings, because this matter tion he used, in speaking to the Senator Mr. SALTONSTALL. I announce that involves the training of pilots not need- from Alabama [Mr. HILL), namely, the Senator from New Hampshire [Mr. ed, inasmuch as they would necessarily "Any old thing.”
BRIDGES] is absent because of illness. supplant older pilots. There are now in If we are to have constructed all the The Senator from Ohio [Mr. BRICKER] the Air Force 20,000 pilots who are not airplanes that will be needed for a 143- and the Senator from Ohio (Mr. TAFT] assigned to actual flying units. The wing program, let me ask why the Sen- are necessarily absent. amendments, if adopted, would add to ator from Michigan believes the Air The Senator from Oregon [Mr. CORthat extent to the present 7,200 pilot Force is satisfied to have only enough
Force is satisfied to have only enough DON] and the Senator from Wisconsin rate.
pilots for a 120-wing program. That is [Mr. WILEY] are absent on oficial busiI read now from the hearings: what I cannot understand.
ness. Senator FERGUSON. Are we not speaking Mr. FERGUSON. In that connection,
Mr. CLEMENTS. I announce that about different things here? Your training Mr. President, let me read further from the Senator from New Mexico (Mr. by the House is not cut out. Is that not
the hearings. The Senate has passed CHAVEZ] and the Senator from Iowa (Mr. right? General ASENSIO. That is correct, sir.
upon this question by a vote of 55 to 38. GILLETTE] are unavoidably detained. If Let me read what happened:
present, both Senators would vote "yea.' Senator FERGUSON. And your operations
The result was announced yeas 41, are not cut out.
Senator SALTONSTALL. But the pilot-trainGeneral TWINING. That is right. ing rate could be increased in '55 and '57 and
nays 48, as follows: Senator FERGUSON. Do you mean that we still have enough pilots in 1957 to take care
YEAS-41 have 25,000 pilots that are not involved in of the 143 wings.
Anderson Humphrey Maybank training or operations? You cannot have General PICHER. That is possible.
McCarran that many in the budget.
Senator SALTONSTALL. So that by keeping
Jackson McClellan General TWINING. That means pilots who
Daniel it at 7,200 this year, we are not endangering
Johnson, Colo, Monroney are not assigned to actual flying units.
Eastland Johnson, Tex. Morse the 143-ving goal by the time the airplanes
Frear Senator FERGUSON. That is what I mean.
Johnston, S. C. Murray are on the ground.
Fulbright Kefauver Neely
Kennedy Pastore that are not connected with operations or danger but it may be deferred.
Smathers Secretary TALBOTT. That is about right. Mr. President, there are the facts. Hayden
Stennis In other words, there are now 20,000
Magnuson Symington pilots; yet some Senators are determined flying. As I have said, I believe we did
Mansfield a good job of adjusting the program so to require that more pilots be trained.
NAYS-48 I have previously stated the number of that men can be trained and will con
Ferguson Millikin tinue to be trained, and we will allow pilots who would be available in the regu
Potter let me read another excerpt from the
Hendrickson succeed in what we are undertaking to
Hickenlooper Robertson do.
Butler, Nebr. Holland Saltonstall Senator SALTONSTALL. If we cut this way, The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Byrd
Ives we could build up the training program so
Schoeppel Capehart Jenner
Smith, Maine that we would have the necessary number of question is on agreeing to the amend
Knowland Smith, N. J. pilots for the 143-wing Air Force by the time ments of the Senator from Arizona (Mr. Case
Douglas General PICHER. Yes.
Watkins be voted on en bloc. The yeas and nays Duff
Welker Senator SALTONSTALL. And still cut down
Dworshak having been ordered, the clerk will call
Williams to the 7,200 this year?
Ellender McCarthy Young
Gillette The which is adequate for the 120 wings. If it clerk will call the roll.
PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chavez
Taft is decided that we are going to a higher rate
So Mr. HAYDEN's amendments were then we would have to increase the pilot
The legislative clerk called the roll, rejected. training rate in conformance with the higher and the following Senators answered to end strength. their names:
INDEPENDENT OFFICES APPROPRIAIn other words, the Air Force tells us Aiken
Anderson Hendrickson that this is all the money it needs. If the
Hickenlooper Millikin gram in terms of the number of planes Bennett
Mr. MAYBANK. Mr. President, in or wings, then it will return and ask us
connection with the conference report for additional funds, in order to train Butler, Nebr.
Butler, Md. Holland
on the independent offices appropriation
Humphrey Murray additional pilots.
bill, we were in a rather embarrassing Mr. SYMINGTON. Mr. President, will Capehart Ives
situation, and perhaps I said things that the Senator from Michigan yield to me
should not have been said. We felt the
Potter at this point? Clements Johnson, Colo. Purtell
conference report would be brought up Mr. FERGUSON. I yield.
Johnson, Tex. Robertson yesterday, but it was not.
I now understand that the conference Dirksen Kefauver Saltonstall is fair to say that the Air Force is not Douglas Kennedy Schoeppel
report will not be brought up this eveasking for more. As I remember, what Duff
ning. happened was that, first, we were going to
All Members of the Senate undoubtedEastland Knowland Smith, N. J. have a much smaller number of groups. Ellender Kuchel
ly have received telegrams regarding this Then, as a result of public criticism or Ferguson Langer
matter: for some other reason, it was stated that
I wish to have the RECORD clearly show
Thye although we would cut the personnel and
that the Senator from Massachusetts cut the number of bases, we would con- George
[Mr. SALTONSTALL), who is chairman of tinue to increase as rapidly as possible
the Subcommitee on Independent Offices Gore
Mansfield the number of aircraft, to a total of 143
Appropriations, has done an excellent wings. Griswold Maybank
job in connection with the appropriation for housing, in adhering in the confer- is no possible way the conference report were possible to do as the Senator from ence to the Senate version of the bill. He can be patched up except to do it in a Oregon suggests. I warn the Senator has done the same in the case of the further conference. No understanding that if the report goes back to conferappropriations for the Interstate Com- that might be entered into with the ence, it will be the whole bill unless some merce Commission. A conference will Interstate Commerce Commission could other provision is made. We will not be be held with representatives of the In- change the language of the conference able to go back to conference on one terstate Commerce Commerce Commission and report. If Representative PHILLIPS, of
report. If Representative PHILLIPS, of item, such as the safety regulations of others, in the hope that it will be pos- California, now has a changed attitude the ICC,without considering also houssible to include in this measure satis- in regard to the question which affects ing and the TVA. factory language to enable the safety the Interstate Commerce Commission The conferees labored long and hard program to be carried out until the safety regulations, a very simple way to in connection with many important Wolf report is considered fully. I ask handle it is to reject the conference re- items. I say again to my distinguished the Senator from Massachusetts if that port, send it back to conference, and friend, the Senator from Oregon, that in is not correct.
then return with language which will my opinion if the Senator from MassaMr. SALTONSTALL. Mr. President, protect the safety regulations of the chusetts and the Representative from as I have informed the acting majority Interstate Commerce Commission. I California can work out certain details leader, I know that my colleagues have think that issue ought to be made very and submit them in a report, I believe it received many communications regard- clear when the report comes before the would be the better part of wisdom to ing the safety regulation of the Inter- Senate tomorrow. I think if an attempt accept the report. state Commerce Commission and its were made to change the language now, Mr. MORSE. Mr. President, will the work in that field. In an effort to clar- outside the framework of the confer- Senator from Massachusetts yield, that ify the interpretation the House con- ence report, the result would be a hodge- I may ask a question of the Senator ferees placed upon the conference report, podge, and the conference report would from South Carolina ? I have had a conference with represen- be wrapped around our necks in the Mr. SALTONSTALL. I am glad to tatives of the Interstate Commerce future, as someone might say, “But this
future, as someone might say, “But this yield, provided I do not lose the floor. Commission, and have had a communi- is what the conference report says.”
Mr. MORSE. Let me ask the Senator cation from the General Accounting We cannot control what may be done from South Carolina, do I correctly unOffice. I hope that by the time the act in the future, on the basis of any in- derstand that the suggested procedure ing majority leader decides to call up formal understanding that might be would mean that the Senator is proposthe conference report, that matter will worked out with Interstate Commerce ing that the conference report now on be interpreted in such a way that the Commission. The fact is that a con- the desk in the Senate, officially filed, can report will be satisfactory.
ference report has been submitted be changed through a conference parMr. MAIBANK. Mr. President, will which, by its very language, jeopardizes ticipated in by the Senator from Massathe Senator yield?
the safety program of the Interstate chusetts and the Representative from Mr. SALTONSTALL. I yield.
Commerce Commission. There is there- California and someone in the Interstate Mr. MAYBANK. Mr. President, a fore but one thing that the Senate Commerce Commission?
Mr. MAYBANK. Of course I did not few moments ago I had the privilege should do, in my judgment, and that is and pleasure of talking with the dis
to reject the report, and, with all respect suggest that. tinguished Representative from the and with all politeness, simply say to the
Mr. MORSE. We have the report. State of California, JOHN PHILLIPS, who
conferees on the part of the Senate, “Go Mr. MAYBANK. No. I said they is chairman of the House subcommittee. back to conference, and return with a would file a report after conferences with
conference report with this language He says we ought to clarify the report
members of the Committee on Interstate in order that the safety program in eliminated. Do not yield to the House on
and Foreign Commerce, or that there a matter which jeopardizes the safety might be an understanding that the auquestion may be continued properly.
of the American people on the high- thorization would be continued to be I bring up this subject at this time for ways."
used, as I understood until the Wolf one purpose. When the conference re
I say most respectfully, but with firm report can be made. Am I correct in port is considered by the Senate, it will
conviction on this matter, the conferees that? be voted either up or down. Unfortu
on the part of the Senate have made a nately, I shall have to request permission great mistake in bringing the conference
Mr. MORSE. The Senator does not
understand my question. to be absent from the session tomorrow
Mr. MAYBANK. The Senator made and I desire to make my position clear. report to the Senate with that language
in it, and I think we should reject the it very clear. I think the conferees on the part of the report and send the conferees on the Senate did pretty well in the conference part of the Senate back to conference, the Senator from Massachusetts and
Mr. MORSE. 'Does the Senator think with the House managers. The Senator
to return with a report which does not from Louisiana (Mr. ELLENDER], the Sen- contain the objectionable language.
the Representative from California, and ator from Alabama (Mr. HILL] and I
all of the members of the Interstate
Mr. MAYBANK. Mr. President, will myself voted against the program;
Commerce Commission combined, could the Senator from Massachusetts yield? we signed the report, though,
do anything to change the language of as
Mr. SALTONSTALL. I yield to the the Senator from Massachusetts knows, Senator from South Carolina.
the conference report? we objected to it. When the report
Mr. MAYBANK. Of course they could Mr. MAYBANK. Certainly it is not
not. comes to a vote in the Senate, in my my intention to do what the distinjudgment it would be a mistake to send guished Senator from Oregon suggests.
Mr. MORSE. I want the language it back to conference, unless we have I simply stated my understanding that
changed. something better to offer. The Senator there is to be a further conference, and
Mr. MAYBANK. A record can be from Louisiana, who was so generous that a satisfactory statement would be
made here, on the part of the able Senas to say a word in my behalf, agrees spelled out in a report. I understood the
ator from Oregon, the Senator from that it would be a mistake to send it back Senator from Massachusetts was going Louisiana, and any other Senator, to inwithout having something better to offer.
to meet in conference, with the RepreEither the distinguished Senator from sentative from California. I did not vote
Commerce Commission go along with the Massachusetts or the distinguished with them. I voted for the safety pro
present plan, if that is agreed upon, until Senator from California will be able to gram.
the Wolf report is made. get a statement from me regarding the
I trust the Senator from Oregon will
Mr. MORSE. It would not have the Interstate Commerce Commission safety not misunderstand the position taken by slightest effect, legally. program. the conferees on the part of the Senate.
Mr. SMATHERS. Mr. President, will Mr. MORSE. Mr. President, will the
I know the Senator from Massachusetts the Senator yield? Senator from Massachusetts yield? [Mr. SALTONSTALL), the Senator from Mr. SALTONSTALL
I yield to the Mr. SALTONSTALL. I yield.
Alabama (Mr. HILL), the Senator from Senator from Florida. Mr. MORSE. I wish to comment on Louisiana (Mr. ELLENDER], and myself Mr. SMATHERS. As a matter of the subject, and to say respectfully to the voted for certain language, but the fact, in regard to the statement of the Senator from Massachusetts that there House conferees overruled us. I wish it Senator from Oregon, the chairman of
the Interstate Commerce Commission, as consideration of Calendar 601, Senate The CHIEF CLERK. On page 7, after I understand, has already issued a state- Joint Resolution 96.
line 5, it is proposed to insert: ment, in view of the language which is The PRESIDING OFFICER. The (b) The Commission may authorize the now contained in the conference report, clerk will state the joint resolution by Chairman or the Vice Chairman to make the to the effect that he has no other alter- title.
expenditures herein authorized and such native than to close down the field offices
The CHIEF CLERK. A joint resolution
other expenditures as the Commission may of the ICC for safety inspection. So (S. J. Res. 96) to strengthen the foreign
deem advisable: Provided, however, That
when the Commission ceases its activities obviously the conference report will relations of the United States by estab
it shall submit to the Appropriations Comhave to go back to conference, it seems lishing a Commission on International
mittees of the Senate and the House of Repto me, for the change in the language, Telecommunications.
resentatives a statement of its fiscal transin view of the position that has been
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The actions properly audited by the Comptroller taken by the ICC.
question is on agreeing to the motion of General of the United States. Mr. MAYBANK. I may say that if the Senator from California.
Mr. MCCARRAN. Mr. President, may the bill went back to conference a great
The motion was agreed to; and the deal of language would be changed in
we have an explanation of the amendSenate proceeded to consider the joint ment? the report, other than the language resolution, which had been reported
Mr. HICKENLOOPER. I believe the about which we are talking.
from the Committee on Foreign Rela- Senator from Nevada refers to the paraMr. President, I desire to make a tions with amendments.
graph on page 7, beginning with line 6 request.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The and ending with line 13. The provision The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendments will be stated.
is included for the specific purpose of Senator may proceed.
The CHIEF CLERK. On page 2, line 10, setting up a means of auditing expenses.
after the word "one" it is proposed to As the joint resolution was originally LEAVE OF ABSENCE
strike out "each”; in line 11, after the submitted, there was no proper means of
word "and", to insert “at least one from”; deciding who should audit or pass upon Mr. MAYBANK. Mr. President, I ask
in line 12, after the word “of”, to strike the propriety of expenses of the Comunanimous consent that I may be ex- out "education” and insert “education mission.
mission. The provision was written by cused from attendance on the session of and of whom not more than three shall
the legislative counsel, I believe, in conthe Senate tomorrow morning.
be from the same political party;"; in junction with the Comptroller General, The PRESIDING OFFICER. Withline 15, after the word "Senate", to insert
as affording a means for proper auditout objection, it is so ordered.
“of whom not more than one shall be ing of the expenses.
Mr. MCCARRAN. Can the Senator beginning of line 19, to insert "of whom DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPRO
tell us if that provision has had study not more than one shall be from the same PRIATIONS, 1954
on the part of the Comptroller Genpolitical party"; at the top of page 3, eral? The Senate resumed the consideration to strike out:
Mr. HICKENLOOPER. I am told that of the bill (H. R. 5969) making appro- (b) Political affiliation: Of the first class it was submitted to the Comptroller Genpriations for the Department of Defense of members mentioned in subsection (a), no eral. I instructed the assistant of the and related independent agencies for the more than three members shall be from the
Foreign Relations Committee to see that fiscal year ending June 30, 1954, and same political party. Of the second and
there was prepared a proper auditing for other purposes.
third classes of members mentioned in subThe PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill lected from the same political party. section (a) only one member shall be se
provision. If my memory does not fail
me, I feel very confident that this quesis open to further amendment. If
tion was taken up with the Comptroller there be no further amendment to be In line 18, after the word “but”, to
General, and that it is a proper auditing proposed, the question is on the third insert “without regard to any other pro- provision. reading of the bill. vision of law”; in line 22, after the word
Mr. MCCARRAN. Naturally it would The bill was ordered to a third read. “Commission", to insert “anc reasonable
come before the Comptroller General ing, and was read the third time. advances may be made to them for such
eventually. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill purposes”; on page 4, line 3, after the Mr. HICKENLOOPER. It is our inhaving been read the third time, the word “but”, to insert "without regard tention that it be presented to the Compquestion is, Shall it pass?
to any other provision of law”; in line troller General for proper auditing. Mr. DOUGLAS. Mr. President, be- 6, after the word “Commission", to in- Mr. HILL. Mr. President, will the fore the bill is passed, I should like to sert "and reasonable advances may be Senator yield? offer an amendment.
made to them for such purposes”; at Mr. HICKENLOOPER. I yield. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The the beginning of line 17 to insert "per
Mr. HILL. The language says that Chair advises the Senator from Illinois that the bill has been read the third annum"; in line 18, after the figures
when the Commission ceases its activ
ities it shall submit to the Appropriations time and under the rule amendments “$12,500”, to insert “per annum”; in line
Committees of the Serate and the House are not in order after the bill has been
24, after the word "for", to strike out read the third time. “individuals" and insert "each indi
of Representatives a statement of its
fiscal transactions, properly audited by The question now is, Shall the bill vidual”; in line 25, after the word
the Comptroller General of the United pass? “authorized”, to insert "without regard
States. The bill (H. R. 5969) was passed. to any other provision of law”; on page
Mr. MCCARRAN. That is when the Mr. FERGUSON. Mr. President, I 5, line 8, after the word "exceed”, to windup comes. move that the Senate insist on its strike out "$25,000” and insert "$250,
Mr. HILL. That is correct. amendments, request a conference with 000”; in line 11, after the word "before", Mr. MCCARRAN. In the meantime, the House of Representatives thereon, to insert “December 31, 1954”; in line who audits the affairs? and that the Chair appoint the con
13, after the word "Congress.” to insert Mr. HILL. The Commission is just ferees on the part of the Senate.
"It may submit such interim reports as now being created. It will wind up its The motion was agreed to; and the it deems desirable."; on page 6, at the
affairs on or before December 31, 1954. Presiding Officer appointed Mr. FERGUSON, Mr. BRIDGES, Mr. SALTONSTALL, Mr.
beginning of line 22, to insert "times By the time it is appointed it will not KNOWLAND, Mr. FLANDERS, Mr. HAYDEN, and"; in the same line, after the word
have much more than a year in which to Mr. RUSSELL, and Mr. CHAVEZ conferees "abroad", to strike out "and at such
do its work, and when it does its work
it must make a report to the Appropriaon the part of the Senate. times”; in line 25, after the word “oaths”,
tions Committees of the respective to insert "and"; on page 7, line 1, after
Houses, properly audited by the Compthe word “testimony", to strike out "and ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMISSION to make such lawful expenditures”.
Mr. HICKENLOOPER. ON INTERNATIONAL TELECOM
The Senator The amendments were agreed to.
from Nevada asked the question as to MUNICATIONS
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The whether this paragraph had been passed Mr. KNOWLAND. Mr. President, I clerk will state the next committee upon by the Comptroller General. The move that the Senate proceed to the amendment.
accounts are to be audited by the Comp
troller General. We requested that the ments offered by the Senator from Colo
STAFF OF THE COMMISSION provision be so written. I am very cer- , rado [Mr. JOHNSON).
Sec. 6. The Commission shall have power to tain that this provision was submitted to The amendments were agreed to. appoint a Secretary General at a salary of the Comptroller General and that it was The PRESIDING OFFICER. The not to exceed $15,000 per annum, and an considered by him proper language for joint resolution is open to further amend- Assistant Secretary General at a salary of the auditing provision. ment. If there be no further amend
not to exceed $12,500 per annum, and such
other personnel in accordance with the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ment to be proposed, the question is on Classification Act of 1949, as amended, or to question is on agreeing to the amend the engrossment and third reading of the obtain assistance from Government agenment on page 7, after line 5. joint resolution.
cies on a reimbursable basis. The CommisThe amendment was agreed to.
The joint resolution was ordered to be sion is further authorized to employ experts The next amendment was, on page 7, engrossed for a third reading, read the and consultants for temporary and interline 14, to change the subsection letter third time, and passed, as follows:
mittent personal services, but at rates not from “(b)" to "(c)."
to exceed $75 per diem for each individual. Whereas the overseas information pro
The Commission is authorized without reThe amendment was agreed to. gram as carried on through the media of
gard to any other provision of law to reimThe PRESIDING OFFICER. That telecommunications is of continuing and in
burse employees, experts, and consultants completes the committee amendments. creasing importance in carrying out and sup
for travel, subsistence, and other necessary Mr. JOHNSON of Colorado. Mr. porting the foreign policies of the United
expenses incurred by them in the performPresident, I offer the amendments which States; and
ance of their official duties and to make rea
Whereas in his state of the Union mesI send to the desk and ask to have
sonable advances to such persons for such sage, February 2, 1953, the President asserted stated. I ask that they be considered
purposes. the necessity “to make more effective all acen bloc. tivities related to international informa
EXPENSES OF THE COMMISSION The PRESIDING OFFICER. The The tion”: Therefore be it
Sec. 7. There is hereby authorized to be amendments offered by the Senator from Resolved, etc., That there is hereby estab- appropriated, out of any money in the TreasColorado will be stated. Without ob- lished a commission to be known as the ury not otherwise appropriated, not to exjection, they will be considered en bloc. Commission on Governmental Use of Inter
ceed $250,000 to carry out the provisions of The CHIEF CLERK. On pages 1 and 2, referred to as the “Commission”). national Telecommunications (in this act
this act. strike out all in the third paragraph of
REPORT-EXPIRATION OF THE COMMISSION recitals.
MEMBERSHIP OF THE COMMISSION
SEC. 8. (a) Report: On or before December On page 2, strike out all in the fourth SEC. 2. Number and appointment: The
31, 1954, the Commission shall make a report paragraph of recitals. Commission shall be composed of nine mem
of its findings and recommendations to the bers as follows: On page 2, line 4, immediately after
Congress. It may submit such interim re
ports as it deems desirable. the word "on", insert the words "Govern
(1) Five appointed by the President of the United States, of whom at least one shall
(b) Expiration of the Commission: Ninety mental use of.” be appointed from the telecommunications
days after the submission to the Congress On page 5, strike out all in lines 20 to industry and at least one from the field of
of the report provided for in subsection (a) 25, inclusive. education and of whom not more than three
of this section 8, the Commission shall cease On page 6, strike out all in lines 1 to shall be from the same political party;
to exist. 17 inclusive, and insert the following: (2) Two appointed from the Senate by
DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION SEC. 9. The Commission is directed to
the President of the Senate of whom not SEC. 9. The Commission is directed to ex
more than one shall be from the same poexaminr, study, and report on the objectives,
amire, study, and report on the objectives, litical party; and operations, and effectiveness of our informa
operations, and effectiveness of our infortion programs with respect to the prompt Representatives by the Speaker of the House
(3) Two appointed from the House of mation programs with respect to the prompt development of techniques, methods, and
development of techniques, methods, and of Representatives of whom not more than programs for greatly expanded and far more
programs for greatly expanded and far more effective operations in this vital area of
one shall be from the same political party. effective operations in this vital area of foreign policy through the use of foreign
ORGANIZATION OF THE COMMISSION
foreign policy through the use of foreign telecommunications.
SEC. 3. The Commission shall choose its
telecommunications. Mr. JOHNSON of Colorado. Mr. its members and shall establish its own proChairman and Vice Chairman from among
POWERS OF THE COMMISSION President, as originally introduced, Sen
SEC. 10. (a) The Commission or, on the
authorization of the Commission, any subate Joint Resolution 96 would deal with
committee or member thereof, shall have a great many matters which come under
SEC. 4. Five members of the Commission power to hold hearings and sit and act at the jurisdiction of the Senate Interstate shall constitute a quorum.
such times and places in the United States and Foreign Commerce Committee. The
COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS OF THE
and abroad, to require by subpena or otherobject and effect of the amendments
wise the attendance of such witnesses and
COMMISSION which have been offered, and which are
the production of such books, papers, and
SEC. 5. (a) Members of Congress: Members being considered en bloc, is to remove of Congress who are members of the Com
documents, to administer such oaths, and
to take such testimony, as the Commission from the joint resolution all matters mission shall serve without compensation in or such subcommittee or member may deem which come under the jurisdiction of the addition to that received for their services
advisable. Subpenas shall be issued under Interstate and Foreign Commerce Com- as Members of Congress; but without regard
the signature of the Chairman of the Committee of the Senate. As the joint reso
to any other provision of law they shall be mission and shall be served by any person lution would read, if these amendments reimbursed for travel, subsistence, and other
designated by him. necessary expenses incurred by them in the
(b) The Commission may authorize the matters properly coming under the juris performance
of the duties vested in the
Chairman or the Vice Chairman to make the diction of the Foreign Relations Com- made to them for such purposes.
expenditures herein authorized and such
other expenditures as the Commission may mittee. All references to our domestic
(b) Members of the executive branch: Any deem advisable: Provided, however, That communications facilities have been re- members of the Commission who may be in when the Commission ceases its activities it moved from the joint resolution, and it the executive branch of the Government shall submit to the Appropriations Commitdeals merely with information, propa
shall receive the compensation which he tees of the Senate and the House of Repreganda, and other things which our Gov
would receive if he were not a member of the sentatives a statement of its fiscal transac
Commission, but without regard to any other ernment is using in the foreign field.
tions properly audited by the Comptroller provision of law they shall be reimbursed Mr. HICKENLOOPER. Mr. President, for travel, subsistence, and other necessary
General of the United States. the Senator from Colorado very properly expenses incurred by them in the perform
(c) The Commission is authorized to se
cure from any department, agency, or inderaised the question upon which his ance of the duties vested in the Commission
pendent instrumentality of the Government amendment is based. I submitted it to and reasonable advances may be made to
any information it deems necessary to carry the various authors of the joint resolu- them for such purposes.
out its functions under this act; and each tion. We agree that he has a good point, (c) Members from private life: The mem
such department, agency, and instrumenand that these amendments may propbers from private life shall receive not to
tality is authorized and directed to furnish erly be incorporated in the joint resolu- exceed $75 per diem when engaged in the
such information to the Commission, upon
request made by the Chairman or by the Vice tion. Therefore, I am perfectly willing performance of duties vested in the Commission, plus reimbursement for travel, sub
Chairman when acting as Chairman. to accept them.
sistence, and other necessary expenses inThe PRESIDING OFFICER. The curred by them in the performance of such
The preamble, as amended, was question is on agreeing to the amend- duties.
The title was amended so as to read: the control of water runoff at source, most convincing manner. I know that "Joint resolution to strengthen the for- in the sum $5 million.
there was for a time, in the Census Bueign relations of the United States by Mr. YOUNG. That is correct.
reau, a group which had opposed enestablishing a Commission on Govern- Mr. CARLSON. I appreciate very actment of the law authorizing a census mental Use of International Telecommu- much the fact that the conference de- of transportation; a group which, I am nications."
cided to retain this item, because I be- confident, had no enthusiasm for effeclieve it is the beginning of a very worth- tive administration of the law with re
while program. The project is to be re- spect to that census, and which, to put APPROPRIATIONS FOR DEPART
garded as a pilot or test project. I am it mildly, probably did very little to MENT OF AGRICULTURE, 1954—
glad that is to be the case. If there advance the program for a transportaCONFERENCE REPORT
are to be such projects in the future, tion census. Mr. YOUNG. Mr. President, I sub
I trust appropriate legislation will be I am happy to say that after the inintroduced
terchange of correspondence with Secmit a report of the committee of con
Mr. YOUNG. I know the Senator ference on the disagreeing votes of the
retary Weeks, which I shall shortly ask from Kansas has had a great interest in two Houses on the amendments of the
may be inserted in the RECORD, I do not
have the feeling that the Department of Senate to the bill (H. R. 5227) making this project, and he has made many con
tacts with the committee. He appropriations for the Department of
Commerce under the present adminisworked very hard for this program. I tration is resisting the will of the ConAgriculture for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1954, and for other purposes. I
am glad the conference agreed on this gress, as expressed in the law provid
program. ask unanimous consent for the imme
ing for a census of transportation; and
Mr. SCHOEPPEL. Mr. President, in I am both anxious and pleased to accept diate consideration of the report. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The re
the report on the agricultural appro- the assurances of the Secretary of Com
priation bill, submitted by the distin- merce that the Department intends to port will be read for the information of
guished Senator from North Dakota (Mr. continue to explore this whole program the Senate.
YOUNG] as I understand, the conferees as far as appropriations made available The legislative clerk read the report. allowed approximately $5 million for cer- by the Congress may permit.
For my (For conference report, see House pro
tain watershed projects, some of which own part, I shall continue to urge the ceedings of July 22, 1953, pp. 9630-9632.) The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there happen to be in the State of Kansas. I appropriation of adequate funds for a
am glad the conferees saw fit to provide census of transportation, because I know, objection to the present consideration of the report?
the appropriation. It is a very impor- from a rather intensive study of this subThere being no objection, the Senate
tant program, and much interest has ject which I made some 8 or 9 years ago, proceeded to consider the report.
been manifested in such programs in my just how urgently we shall need, in the State.
event of a true national emergency, the Mr. YOUNG. Mr. President, I would
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. transportation data which only such a like to make a very brief explanation of
PAYNE in the chair). The question is on the conference report.
census can provide. I hope that Sena
tors having a natural interest in this The Senate version of the bill called agreeing to the conference report. for $716,779,768. The conference agreed
The report was agreed to.
matter-and. I know there are a number
of my colleagues who fall in this cateupon $718,395,398, or an increase of $1,
gory—will continue to work toward this 615,630 over the appropriations con
CENSUS OF TRANSPORTATION same end. I hope further that other tained in the Senate bill.
The increase consisted of the follow- Mr. MCCARRAN. Mr. President, be- Senators will look into the matter as time ing:
cause I know that a number of Senators permits. I even venture the final hope Five million dollars in appropriations
are very much interested in transporta- that at least some of the many executives for the watershed protection program,
tion, and more especially in the problem in business and industry who could profwhich item was originally inserted by
of developing a long-range program for itably use the statistics which a census the House but deleted by the Senate.
providing the transportation statistics of transportation would develop, will inThe Senate conferees agreed to accept
which are urgently needed in time of form their Senators and Representatives this House provision. There were dewar or in connection with a defense
of their interest.
Mr. President, I now ask unanimous creases in the items for forest roads and emergency, it is my purpose to seek intrails, of $1,500,000; in funds for re- sertion in the RECORD of an interchange consent that there may be inserted in search of $350,370; and for control proof correspondence which I have had
the RECORD at this point the correspondgrams, of $1,483,000. with the Secretary of Commerce.
ence to which I have previously referred.
As background, let me point out that Mr. HUMPHREY. Mr. President, will
There being no objection, the corre
spondence was ordered to be printed in the Senator yield?
I have been one of those very much in-
the RECORD, as follows: Mr. YOUNG. I yield.
JUNE 30, 1953. Mr. HUMPHREY. What was done techniques and methods for taking, tab
The Honorable SINCLAIR WEEKS, ulating and interpreting a periodic cenwith respect to the REA soil conser
Secretary of Commerce, sus of transportation. With the aid of vation?
Department of Commerce, Mr. YOUNG. There was no disagree- securing enactment of legislation to auother Senators, I was able to assist in
Washington, D. C. ment in conference with respect to soil
MY DEAR MR. SECRETARY: Five years ago thorize such a periodic census. conservation funds. Both versions of
(by Public Law 671 of the 80th Cong.) Conthe bill contained an item of $195 mil- tation, although authorized, has not yet
Unfortunately, the census of transpor- gress authorized and directed the taking of a
census of transportation. lion. The bill now contains $205 milbeen taken. The law provides that the
The Census Bureau presented a hastily lion for REA, that is, with carry-over census shall be taken every 4 years. But
developed program for 1948, a program not funds. The appropriation for the fiscal Congress failed to appropriate funds for
in line with apparent congressional intent, year 1953 was $197 million. the census 4 years ago, and has failed
and certainly not in line with the sponsor With respect to REA, there was an
of the legislation, the writer of this letter. again this year to appropriate funds for appropriation of $35 million a year ago,
A second program was presented by the that census. plus $7,500,000 in the supplemental bill
Census Bureau for 1953; a program called
It is my earnest opinion, Mr. Presi- experimental pilot by Department approved last month, as against an ap- dent, as I have informed the Secretary spokesmen. For instance, Secretary Weeks propriation in this bill of $67,500,000. Mr. HUMPHREY. So, the appropria- economy on the part of the Congress. of Commerce, that this represented false
said the Bureau is "planning to take a pilot
run” (p. 5, House hearings); and Dr. Burgess tion is $67,500,000? I want to say that I do not feel the fault
said the census of transportation "is feeling Mr. YOUNG. That is correct. is wholly that of the Congress, because
its way" (p. 80 of House hearings). Mr. CARLSON. Mr. President, will I do not believe the Department of Com
The question occurs, why was the census the Senator yield? merce has done its best either to develop
of transportation put on a pilot basis, in Mr. YOUNG. I yield.
the face of the law authorizing it? a sound and tested program for the cenMr. CARLSON. As I understand, the sus of transportation, or to present its
In 1948, Mr. Grieves of the Census Bureau
testified that the Bureau had “not even conference report contains an item for request for funds for that census in the any opportunity to formulate a tested pro