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Mr. HINSHAW. The limitations upon the Interstate Commerce Commission under this proposed act are quite unique and will bear a great deal of looking at. That is all.

Mr. HARRIS. Thank you very much. And we want to thank each of you, and the Secretary, too, who had to leave.

We had expected to get to Mr. Arpaia of the Interstate Commerce Commission this afternon, but obviously the session of the committee has gone along with the witnesses from the Department of Commerce and the Defense Establishment to this point, and since the House is considering, under the 5-minute rule, the bill before it, we cannot proceed further this afternoon. Mr. Arpaia will be here in the morning at 10 o'clock. He will be the first witness.

The committee will adjourn until 10 o'clock in the morning in this room.

(Whereupon, at 4 p. m., the hearing was adjourned, to reconvene at 10 a. m. Thursday, April 26, 1956.)

TRANSPORTATION POLICY

THURSDAY, APRIL 26, 1956

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
SUBCOMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATIONS,
OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERSTATE AND FOREIGN COMMERCE,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to adjournment, at 10 a. m., in the caucus rom, Old House Office Building, Hon. Oren Harris (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. HARRIS. The committee will please come to order.

Permit the Chair to say that it might appear that we are getting along a little slow with this highly important matter, but it is a subject that requires a great deal of consideration and thought. In view of this, I wanted to say that the committee is very appreciative of the fine attendance that we have had and the order that has been maintained in this room. I am sure that our guests will recognize the importance of it in the future as you have in the last couple of days, but I did want to say, for the information of each one of you, we are very grateful for the very splendid cooperation that we have received thus far during the course of the proceedings.

We recall, of course, that we have the situation of the House being called at 11 oclock this morning. It is anticipated that shortly after the House meets there will be a call of the House which will necessitate us having to recess at that time.

In the meantime, we will proceed and complete just as much of the hearings as we can get to this morning.

We have with us this morning Mr. Arpaia, Chairman of the Interstate Commerce Commission.

Mr. Arpaia, we recognize that you have stood by for the last full day. We realize, of course, too, that you and your associates have plently of work to do in your own bailiwick down there. We are sorry that you have had to stand by and wait until we could reach you. Nevertheless, we know what this means to the transportation system of our country and what you mean to it, as well as the other members of the Commission.

We realize the position of the Commission from the report that has been filed with the committee.

It was first thought that the Commission would not make a statement until the close of or near the end of the proceedings. However, because of the involvements in the highly technical phases of this entire program, for the record and for the information and for the benefit of the committee, as well as various people interested in this problem throughout the country, we thought that it would be informa

tive and appropriate to have you make a presentation at this time in behalf of the Commission and then be subject to any questions that any member might want to ask at that time.

to us.

STATEMENT OF HON. ANTHONY F. ARPAIA, CHAIRMAN, INTER

STATE COMMERCE COMMISSION, WASHINGTON, D. C. Mr. ARPAIA. Mr. Chairman, I might say, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, that we have present here today some of the Commissioners. Would you like for them to be presented ?

Mr. HARRIS. I think it would be helpful to us and probably to our guests attending if, for the record, we may have you present them

Mr. ARPAIA. Well, we have Commissioner Freas, and I will ask him to come up here, please.

I would like to present Commissioner Minor and Commissioner Walrath.

It may be as the hearings proceed others may arrive and if they do I will present them.

Mr. HARRIS. Very well.

Mr. ARPAIA. We also have present people of our staff, and I would also like to state that we have Director Mullen, of our Bureau of Formal Cases.

We have Director Cox of our Bureau of Rates, Tariffs, and Informal Cases,

We have Mr. Murray of the General Counsel's Office. We also have our General Counsel, Mr. Ginnane, and I would like to have him come up here.

We have Mr. Spicer, legislative counsel; Mr. Emken, Director, Bureau of Accounts, Cost Finding, and Valuation; Mr. Jelsma, Director of the Bureau of Transport Economics and Statistics; Mr. Koch, who is Chief of the Reviewing Section, Formal Cases.

Mr. HARRIS. We are glad to welcome them.
Mr. ARPAIA. I think I have covered all of them.

Mr. Harris. Let me say to you, Mr. Commissioner, and also your associates in the great work that you are doing down there, we are glad to have all of you with us here today and certainly your appearance here indicates the interest you have in the subject.

Mr. ARPAIA. My name is Anthony F. Arpaia. I am Chairman of the Interstate Commerce Commission and Chairman of its Committee on Legislation. I have served in these capacities since January 1, 1956, and have been a member of the Commission since July 11, 1952.

I am appearing today to testify in behalf of the Commission with respect to bill H. R. 6141 and the six other bills which the subcommittee has under consideration, and to answer as best I can any questions which the subcommittee members may wish to ask with respect thereto. Inasmuch as the Commission or its Legislative Committee has commented in some detail on these proposed measures by letters addressed to the chairman of the full committee at his request, my statement will be brief. I would like to ask at this time that these letters be introduced into the record.

The letters to which I refer are as follows:

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1. Letter dated December 22, 1955, addressed to the Honorable J. Percy Priest, chairman, House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, and signed by J. M. Johnson, Acting Chairman, Interstate Commerce Commission, commenting on H. R. 6141.

Mr. HARRIS. Mr. Commissioner, that request will be granted. I do want to ask, however, if this report submitted by Mr. Johnson, who was the Acting Chairman at that time, which I believe is dated December 22, 1955, which you indicate is the report of the Commission as of now on this matter

Mr. ARPAIA. Yes; I will get to that in my remarks.

Mr. HINSHAW. May I ask, Mr. Chairman, whether the Commissioners are unanimous in their individual opinions concerning this matter?

Mr. ARPAIA. I am going to get to that in my statement, Mr. Hinshaw and Chairman Harris.

Mr. HARRIS. Very well.
Mr. ARPAIA. That is the letter that comments on H. R. 6141.

2. Then there is a letter dated March 16, 1955, addressed to the Honorable J. Percy Priest, chairman, House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, and signed by Richard F. Mitchell, Chairman, Interstate Commerce Commission, commenting on H. R. 525.

3. Letter dated May 3, 1955, addressed to the Honorable J. Percy Priest, chairman, House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, and signed by Richard F. Mitchell, Chairman, Interstate Commerce Commission, transmitting with request for introduction, draft of bill to amend section 4 (1) of the Interstate Commerce Act, together with a statement of justification therefor. (Introduced as H. R. 6208.)

4. Letter dated April 23, 1956, addressed to the Honorable J. Percy Priest, chairman, House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce and signed by Anthony Arpaia, chairman, Committee on Legislation, Interstate Commerce Commission, commenting on H. R. 9548.

5. Letter dated April 19, 1956, addressed to the Honorable J. Percy Priest, chairman, House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce, and signed by Anthony Arpaia, chairman, Committee on Legislation, Interstate Commerce Commission, commenting on H. R. 9771.

Mr. HINSHAW. Mr. Chairman, may I interrupt there to state that there is another bill, H. R. 9177, which comes in between those two, and I wonder if the comments of the Commission have been gotten together for that purpose.

Mr. APPAIA. Let me ask Mr. Spicer about that.
Could you identify that bill?
Mr. HINSHAW. A bill which I introduced to amend section 405 (a).
Mr. ARPAIA. It is possible this is a transposition in H. R. 9771.
Mr. HINSHAW. No, it is a different bill.
Mr. ARPAIA. It is?

Mr. HINSHAW. I think it is a different bill. There may be a misprint here, Mr. Arpaia.

Mr. ARPAIA, May I see that bill, please? I do not think that this relates to it.

Mr. HARRIS. It should be covered on the same subject matter. We have reference to the same part of the Interstate Commerce Act here as the one you just referred to, the other one.

You may revise your remarks to include that in the report.

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