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CONTENTS

I. ALPHABETICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

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II. CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF WITNESSES

Tuesday, April 4, 1950:

Arthur S. Adams, president of the University of New Hampshire and

president of Association of Land-Grant Colleges and Universities -- 70

Guy H. Birdsall, Assistant Administrator for Legislation, Veterans'

Administration...

2

Charles E. Eckert, attorney, Office of General Counsel, General

Accounting Office --

27

William L. Ellis, Chief, Investigations, General Accounting Office- 27

A. H. Monk, Director of Training Facilities, Veterans' Administration. 2

H. V. Stirling, Assistant Administrator for Vocational Rehabilitation

and Education, Veterans' Administration...

2

Monday, April 10, 1950:

Arthur S. Adams, president of the University of New Hampshire and

and president of Association of Land-Grant Colleges and Uni-

versities.

57

Guy H. Birdsall, Assistant Administrator for Legislation, Veterans'

Administration -

2

Laurence R. Lunden, comptroller and assistant secretary, board of

regents, University of Minnesota...

77

Hon. Charles W. Tobey, United States Senator from the State of New

Hampshire..

92

III. LIST OF STATEMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS

Adams, Dr. Arthur S., president of the University of New Hampshire and
president of Association of Land-Grant Colleges and Universities

57

Birdsall, G. H., Assistant Administrator for Legislation, Veterans' Admin-

istration..

2

Supplemental statement..

87

Insertions:

Statement of Hon. Carl R. Gray, Jr., Administrator of Veterans'

Affairs, concerning Administrator's Decision No. 812.-

23, 90

Exhibit B-2, proposed VA regulation concerning the pursuit on

or after July 25, 1951, of courses of education or training under
the Servicemen's Readjustment Act, as amended..

37

Exhibit No. B-3, office memorandum to the Administrator from

the Solicitor, dated October 20, 1949..

38

Eckert, Charles E., attorney, Office of General Counsel, General Accounting

Office

27

Ellis, William L., Chief, Investigations, General Accounting Office.

27
Supplemental statement from the General Accounting Office.

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Hill, Hon. Lister, a United States Senator from the State of Alabama
Insertions of:
Acts:
Bankhead-Jones Act of 1935.

62
Morrill-Nelson Act of 1862-

58
Morrill-Nelson Act, amendment to, 1890.

60
Morrill-Nelson Act, amendment to, 1907

61

H. R. 7057

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Senate bill 2909..

2

Letters to-

Hon. Harley M. Kilgore from Mr. William Cooper, Con-

ference of Presidents of Negro Land-Grant Colleges --

56

Hon. Harley M. Kilgore from Dr. John W. Davis, president,

West Virginia State College Institute, West Virginia, dated

March 17, 1950.-

56

Hon. Warren Magnuson from Dr. Wilson Compton, presi-

dent of State College of Washington, Pullman, Wash.,

dated February 7, 1950...

55

Hon. Elbert D. Thomas from Hon. Warren Magnuson, dated

February 7, 1950-

55

Lunden, Dr. Laurence R., comptroller and assistant secretary of the

board of regents, University of Minnesota -

77

Insertions of letter to Hon. Lindsay C. Warren, Comptroller General

of the United States General Accounting Office, from Lloyd Morey,

comptroller of University of Illinois, dated February 15, 1950.-- 83

Monk, A. H., Director of Training Facilities, Veterans' Administration.. 2
Stirling, H. V., Assistant Administrator for Vocational Rehabilitation and
Education, Veterans' Administration -

2
Insertions of letters to Hon. Claude Pepper from Mr. Charles R. Hale,

Mary Karl Vocational School of Volusia County, Daytona Beach,
Fla., dated February 15 and February 16, 1950-

46, 49

Tobey, Hon. Charles W., a United States Senator from the State of New

Hampshire----

92

Insertions of -

Exhibits I, II, III, IV, and V...

10-18

Negro institutions, list

23

Presidents of land-grant colleges and universities, list---

22

Removal of restrictions from land-grant colleges and universities 9

VETERANS REGULATION AFFECTING COLLEGES OF AGRI

CULTURE AND THE MECHANIC ARTS-VETERANS REGULATION ON COURSES OF EDUCATION OR TRAINING

TUESDAY, APRIL 4, 1950

UNITED STATES SENATE,
SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON
LABOR AND PUBLIC WELFARE,

Washington, D. C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10 a. m.,

in room F-37, United States Capitol, Senator Lister Hill (acting chairman of the subcommittee) presiding:

Present: Senators Hill and Aiken.
Senator Hill. The subcommittee will kindly come to order.

We will proceed with the consideration of H. R. 7057, an act to amend Veterans Regulation No. 1 (a) with respect to the computation of estimated costs of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of colleges of agriculture and the mechanic arts and other nonprofit educational institutions.

(H. R. 7057 and S. 2909 follow in turn:)

(H. R. 7057, 81st Cong., 2d sess.) AN ACT TO amend Veterans Regulation Numbered 1(a) with respect to the computation of estimated costs

of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of colleges of agriculture and the mechanic arts and other nonprofit educational institutions

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That, effective as of December 28, 1945, paragraph 5 of part VIII of Veterans Regulation Numbered 1 (a), as amended, is amended by adding at the end thereof the following: "In the computation of such estimated cost of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of any college of agriculture and the mechanic arts, no reduction shall be made by reason of any payments to such college from funds made available pursuant to the Act entitled, 'An Act donating public lands to the several States and Territories which may provide colleges for the benefit of agriculture and the mechanic arts’, approved July 2, 1862, as amended and supplemented (U. S. C., 1946 edition, title 7, secs. 30-329, inclusive); and in the computation of such estimated cost of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of any nonprofit educational institution, no reduction shall be made by reason of any payments to such institution from State or municipal or other non-Federal public funds, or from private endowments or gifts or other income from nonpublic sources.

SEC. 2. Upon receipt of appropriate claims therefor, the Administrator of Veterans' Affairs is authorized to make adjustments in accordance with this Act in contracts which are in effect on the date of approval of this Act as well as prior contracts and is authorized to make back payments and refunds in accordance with such adjustments.

Passed the House of Representatives March 20, 1950.
Attest:

Ralph R. ROBERTS, Clerk.

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(S. 2909, 81st Cong., 2d sess.) A BILL To amend Veterans Regulation Numbered 1 (a) with respect to the computation of estimated

costs of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of colleges of agriculture and the mechanic arts and other nonprofit educational institutions

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That, effective as of December 28, 1945, paragraph 5 of Part VIII of Veterans Regulation Numbered 1 (a), as amended, is amended by adding at the end thereof the following: "In the computation of such estimated cost of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of any college of agriculture and the mechanic arts, no reduction shall be made by reason of any payments to such college from funds made available pursuant to the Act entitled 'An Act donating public lands to the several States and Territories which may provide colleges for the benefit of agriculture and the mechanic arts,' approved July 2, 1862, as amended and supplemented (U. S. C., 1946 edition, title 7, secs. 301-329, inclusive); and in the computation of such estimated cost of teaching personnel and supplies for instruction in the case of any nonprofit educational institution, no reduction shall be made by reason of any payments to such institution from State or municipal or other non-Federal public funds, or from private endowments or gifts."

Senator HILL. I believe Mr. Birdsall is here from the Veterans' Administration.

Mr. Birdsall, are you first qualified to speak on this bill, sir?
Mr. BIRDSALL. I think so, Senator.
Senator Hill. Suppose you come up here where we can hear you.
Mr. BIRDSALL. Thank you.

Senator Hill. We would be happy to have you proceed in your own way and give us the Veterans' Administration's views and any suggestions or criticism with reference to this bill.

STATEMENT OF G. H. BIRDSALL, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR

FOR LEGISLATION, VETERANS' ADMINISTRATION; ACCOMPANIED BY H. V. STIRLING, ASSISTANT ADMINISTRATOR FOR VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION AND EDUCATION, VETERANS' ADMINISTRATION; AND A. H. MONK, DIRECTOR OF TRAINING FACILITIES, VETERANS' ADMINISTRATION

Mr. BIRDSALL. Very briefly, first of all, the Veterans' Administration made a report to the Committee on Labor and Public Welfare on a bill on a similar subject, Senate bill 2909. That report was March 4, 1950. H. R. 7057, now before your subcommittee, is at variance with S. 2909 in this respect, that H. R. 7057 would authorize a retroactive adjustment to those colleges where they complied with the regulations of the Veterans' Administration. This bill would amend the regulations of the Veterans' Administration.

House Committee Report No. 1720 contains an explanation of H. R. 7057 and the main issue in the particular bill has to do with the deducting of the amount appropriated by the Congress under the Morrill Act which is used for the instruction personnel in the landgrant colleges. The retroactive adjustment from December 28, 1945, to June 30, 1950, would involve a maximum estimated expenditure of $10,000,000. The additional estimated cost for the fiscal year 1951 would approximate $2,000,000.

Senator Hill. As I understand it, the only difference between the Senate bill and the House bill is the retroactive feature in the House bill; is that correct?

Mr. BIRDSALL. That is the fundamental change, Senator.

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