found upon inspection afterwards in these laundries and other places that you have testified to?

Mr. MONROE. Only approximately. I believe these 15 were probably caught either on the water or coming down the railroad track from Blaine or Sumas toward Seattle.

Chairman WALSH. Of the 15, then, none of those were found afterwards on an inspection working in laundries that had been smuggled in a month or a year before?

Mr. MONROE. We did not know, Mr. Walsh, how long they had been in if we found them afterwards.

Chairman WALSH. How many did you find afterwards? That is what I am trying to get at.

Mr. MONROE. Well, I take it that those who were arrested under the exclusion law, 41 must have been so found.

Chairman WALSH. But you have no accurate data upon that?

Mr. MONROE. No; I have not.

Chairman WALSH. When was Commissioner Caminetti in Seattle?
Mr. MONROE. He was here about November last year.

Chairman WALSH. About November of

Mr. MONROE. 1913.

Chairman WALSH. You met him here?

Mr. MONROE. I did.

Chairman WALSH. Where did he stop here?

Mr. MONROE. He stayed at the Frye Hotel.

Chairman WALSH. The which?

Mr. MONROE. The Frye Hotel.

Chairman WALSH. Did he meet Tape when he was here?

Mr. MONROE. He certainly did.

Chairman WALSH. Who introduced him to Tape?

Mr. MONROE. I would have no idea.

Chairman WALSH. You did not?

Mr. MONROE. No.

Chairman WALSH. Was Tape at the hotel where he stopped?

Mr. MONROE. No; Tape lives out in the residence district.

Chairman WALSH. The story has been told some place that Tape acted as a sort of doorkeeper at the Frye Hotel of the apartment in which the commissioner was staying while here.

Mr. MONROE. Mr. Tape, through some one, I do not know whom, placed his automobile at the disposal of Commissioner Caminetti when he was here; and during all of the time he was here he took him back and forward to the hotel or to the club where he met the chamber of commerce committee and different places.

Chairman WALSH. In his automobile?

Mr. MONROE. In his automobile.

Chairman WALSH. NOW, Mr. Caminetti was a new official, of course?
Mr. MONROE. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. And probably did not know Tape for all you know? Mr. MONROE. I wouldn't know, although Mr. Tape comes from San Francisco and is well known down in that country.

Chairman WALSH. Was Mr. Taylor here at the time Commissioner Caminetti was here?

Mr. MONROE. Taylor left before Caminetti came in.

Chairman WALSH. And did any one notify Commissioner Caminetti, to your knowledge, as to these rumors and deep suspicion surrounding Tape as a grafter?

Mr. MONROE. I wouldn't know the source

Chairman WALSH. Did you tell him?

Mr. MONROE. I had no conversation with Caminetti.

Chairman WALSH. You did not?

Mr. MONROE. No.

Chairman WALSH. Is the managar of the Frye Hotel related to Tape?
Mr. MONROE. I understand the former manager of the Frye Hotel-
Chairman WALSH. Nixon?

Mr. MONROE. Nixon.

Chairman WALSH. Was he manager at the time Caminetti was there?
Mr. MONROE. I think he was.

Chairman WALSH. What relation is he to Tape?

Mr. MONROE. Well, I have understood that Nixon married an adopted sister of Mrs. Tape's. Since we started this investigation of Mr. Tape, we have come to the conclusion that Nixon's wife is a full sister of Mrs. Tape. Chairman WALSH. Of this present Mrs. Tape?

Mr. MONROE. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. And you heard Tape lived with a woman in Portland, named Pearl?

Mr. MONROE. I heard that since Bonham came here to make this investigation.

Chairman WALSH. You had not heard it before that time?

Mr. MONROE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you know when Tape married this woman that he is living with now?

Mr. MONROE. No.

Chairman WALSH. When did you first call upon him?

Mr. MONROE. I first called upon them when they asked-invited us to the house to meet his mother and sister from San Francisco.

Chairman WALSH. I say the time, I am asking the time, not who was there. Mr. MONROE. Oh.

Chairman WALSH. Yes; the time.

Mr. MONROE. That would be that is possibly the fall of 1911. Or it might be some time in the first part of 1912.

Chairman WALSH. Was he married then?

Mr. MONROE. He was living with this woman.

Chairman WALSH. It is considered in this community-I am asking for information is it considered a respectable thing for Chinese and whites to intermarry?

Mr. MONROE. Well, there are quite a number of such marriages.
Chairman WALSH. And are they received into respectable society?
Mr. MONROE. I don't think they are received into society generally.
Chairman WALSH. Generally?

Mr. MONROE. No.

Chairman WALSH. In some places it is considered like intermarrying with an Ethiopian, marrying a Chinese, that a white woman who consorts with a Chinaman, or lives with one, it is a sort of a notification that everything is not all right?

Mr. MONROE. I would like to make this sugestion.

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. MONROE. The people of this city as a whole-I mean the business men—– are very, very friendly to the Chinese. Mr. Tape is American born and thoroughly Americanized and associates altogether with whites. And I know from what I have heard-I have not seen it-that Mrs. Tape and Mrs. Nixon are fast friends.

Chairman WALSH. They are sisters.

Mr. MONROE. And travel around a great deal together.

Chairman WALSH. Sisters?

Mr. MONROE. They are supposed to be sisters. But while I don't think a Chinaman is usually, even Mr. Tape, accepted socially with whites, yet he probably comes as near to it as any Chinaman can.

Chairman WALSH. Did he ever tell you when he was married or where he was married?

Mr. MONROE. The only thing I know about his marriage is this: I heard him say one day in the office that he had a wife in San Francisco from whom he was separated. Might I speak without the record for a moment?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

(After conversation between Chairman Walsh and witness.)

Mr. MONROE. I am willing to tell you everything I know. Some time later, I think in the spring of 1911, he requested a leave of absence one day, saying that he wanted to meet-he wanted to secure housekeeping rooms, that his wife was coming from San Francisco; that his mother had insisted upon his living with her; and he was going to try it again here in Seattle. He professed great respect for his mother, and stated he did not like to live with his wife because she had inherited some money after their marriage and was inclined to lord it over him.

So later on I found that he had secured rooms

in the Calhoun Hotel, and was living there with his wife, as I presumed. I

knew nothing about that at that time, until some months later they moved into an apartment house on Capitol Hill, a respectable section of this city. While there he invited myself and Mrs. Monroe to meet his mother and a baby sister. We went there and met this mother and sister, and found the mother a remarkable woman. She is intelligent and accomplished

Chairman WALSH. I do not care for you to go into her personal attributes. Mr. MONROE. I was just going to show how this developed.

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. MONROE. The mother and sister used this present Mrs. Tape in a very cordial manner that evening. So I have been satisfied until this investigation started now that this present Mrs. Tape was the original wife in San Francisco. I, of course, now know she was the woman he picked up here in Seattle.

Chairman WALSH. Say, did Tape always seem to have plenty of money? Mr. MONROE. He did not seem to have very much money the first year. Chairman WALSH. Well, after that.

Mr. MONROE. The second year he bought a launch, a gasoline launch, and placed it on Lake Washington, and I heard him remark that it cost some five or six hundred dollars; that either his father or mother had sent him the money.

Chairman WALSH. I do not care for his explanation of where he got the money, but did he after that appear to have a good deal of money?

Mr. MONROE. Well, that was the thing that caused it to appear to me that he had money.

Chairman WALSH. What was his salary?

Mr. MONROE. Thirteen hundred and twenty dollars.

Chairman WALSH. Did he have any other source, any apparent source of income except his salary?

Mr. MONROE. He always held it out everywhere that his parents were rich; that he could get money from home any time he wanted it; and that his wife had an independent income.

Chairman WALSH. So that all there was was what he said about it?
Mr. MONROE. That is all.

Chairman WALSH. That is all. Was he engaged in any business that you know of?

Mr. MONROE. None.

Chairman WALSH. Did anybody-were you in the office with him a great

deal?

Mr. MONROE. Well, we have four or five rooms. I have a private office. He is in the main office.

Chairman WALSH. Did you ever see any remittances that he received from his parents, or any checks coming from an estate, or anything of that sort? Mr. MONROE. None at all.

Chairman WALSH. Did he wear diamonds?

Mr. MONROE. He wore one diamond.

Chairman WALSH. He wore a diamond and had a launch and after that got an automobile?

Mr. MONROE. He sold the launch and bought the automobile.

Chairman WALSH. You could tell that he was a man apparently spending $5,000 to $10,000 a year?

Mr. MONROE. He made no secret of the fact that he was spending all this money.

Chairman WALSH. Did he tell you also that he made money gambling? Mr. MONROE. Yes; and in betting on elections and horse races. He would often come to the office and say he put up so much yesterday and took a 10 to 1 shot and cleaned up so many hundred dollars.

Chairman WALSH. Were you out riding with him on Decoration Day of this year?

Mr. MONROE. I was.

Chairman WALSH. Where did you go?

Mr. MONROE. We went to Union City.

Chairman WALSH. Did you celebrate there?

Mr. MONROE. No; went on a fishing trip.

Chairman WALSH. Oh, on a fishing trip. In his automobile?

Mr. MONROE. His automobile.

Chairman WALSH. Who all were present?

Mr. MONROE. Myself, Mrs. Monroe, Mr. Tape, Mrs, Tape, and the chauffeur.

Mr. MONROE. Yes; he always had a white chauffeur.
Chairman WALSH. What was his name?

Mr. MONROE. I don't remember.

Chairman WALSH. That was Decoration Day in 1914?

Mr. MONROE. Nineteen hundred and fourteen.

Chairman WALSH. Was there anything else that you wish to say?

Mr. MONROE. I wish to make an explanation covering this fishing trip this spring. It was made after-I went with him on that trip after conferring with Commissioner White. He was under investigation at that time, and I confess I went along to observe his conduct and to note how much money he spent. I made a report to Mr. White upon my return.

Chairman WALSH. Do you know how much money he spent on that fishing trip?

Mr. MONROE. On that trip?

Chairman WALSH. What did he spend?

Mr. MONROE. Well, we just figured generally, tried to estimate the expense of the trip. That was all.

Chairman WALSH. That is all. Thank you.

Mr. BUSIEK. Mr. C. E. Stevens.

Chairman WALSH. Mr. Stevens, you do solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give in the hearing now before this commission, being an investigation into the alleged smuggling of Asiatics into the United States, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. STEVENS. I do.

TESTIMONY OF MR. CLAUDE E. STEVENS.

Mr. BUSIEK. Please give your name in full.

Mr. STEVENS. Claude E. Stevens.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is your profession?

Mr. STEVENS. Attorney.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long have you practiced law, Mr. Stevens?

Mr. STEVENS. About five years.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long have you lived in Seattle?

Mr. STEVENS. About 10 years.

Mr. BUSIEK. Prior to living in Seattle where were you?

Mr. STEVENS. Boston, Mass.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where did you study law?

Mr. STEVENS. Boston University Law School.

Mr. BUSIEK. When did you graduate?

Mr. STEVENS. In 1904.

Mr. BUSIEK. And came out to Seattle at that time?

Mr. STEVENS. That summer.

Mr. BUSIER. What business were you in after coming out here?

Mr. STEVENS. Telephone business.

Mr. BUSIEK. You worked for the Pacific Telephone Co.?

Mr. STEVENS. Independent Telephone Co.

Mr. BUSIEK. Independent Telephone Co.?

Mr. STEVENS. Yes.

Mr. BUSIEK. In what capacity?

Mr. STEVENS. Service manager.

Mr. BUSIER. And when did you first become connected with Adelphia College? Mr. STEVENS. In 1910.

Mr. BUSIEK. In what capacity?

Mr. STEVENS. As head of the commercial department.

Mr. BUSIEK. You taught commercial

Mr. STEVENS. Commercial subjects.

Mr. BUSIEK. You taught commercial subjects?

Mr. STEVENS. And some other subjects also.

Mr. BUSIEK. Were you practicing law at that time?

Mr. STEVENS. I was not.

Mr. BUSIEK. And did you have any office down town?

Mr. STEVENS. I established an office in the fall of 1910, I think; I am not quite sure of just the date.

Mr. BUSIEK. How did you come to make a trip to China, Mr. Stevens?

Mr. STEVENS. With a view of having a number of Chinese students return to America, and some of them to enter Adelphia College.

Mr. BUSIEK. What put this idea into your mind?

Mr. STEVENS. A client; a Chinese client of mine came to the office one day and said that he had a relative that he would like to have come to America, but the State Department would not give them a certificate, and asked if I would assist him. I had not had any experience in Chinese matters, and needed some time to look the matter up. So I told him to come back again in a few days, which he did, and I told him that I did not think I could help him any until they arrived here. If he had any difficulties here there might be something I could do.

He came in in a few days, and he said there were several boys there who desired to come over, who had relatives here, but it was necessary for some American to assist them there, that they were not given the proper treatment by the authorities unless there was some American to assist. And he wanted to konw if I could help them. I told him that I didn't think I could; I didn't think I could do anything. I didn't think that what I could do would be of any effect, and dismissed the subject. But he came in again and wanted to know if I would go over there.

Mr. BUSIEK. When was this that all this was going on?

Mr. STEVENS. This was about December, 1910, or January, 1911. I told him I would investigate.

Do you want all this?

Mr. BUSIEK. Who was this Chinese-perhaps we can get at it quicker.

Mr. STEVENS. That was Paul Lewis,

Mr. BUSIEK. Paul Lewis.

Mr. STEVENS. It would take me about five minutes to tell the whole story. Chairman WALSH. Tell the whole story, then.

Mr. BUSIEK. All right.

Mr. STEVENS. I told him that I would look the matter up, and for him to come in later-to give me two or three weeks. So, in the meantime, I read up the law relative to the incoming of Chinese, and I talked with 8 or 10 of our leading attorneys of the city relative to the ethics of the practice, and talked with some of the immigration officials, and finally I interviewed some of the Congressmen. Everybody said that there was no-couldn't see any wrong for bona fide students coming here and our assisting them. I also interviewed several-two women who had brought students in before.

Mr. BUSIEK. Who were they?

Mr. STEVENS. Mrs. Greenlee and the other lady I don't remember.

Mr. BUSIEK. Miss Ober?

Mr. STEVENS. Yes; I think that is the name. Mrs. Greenlee, I remember especially. They all informed me that there was nothing, they did not see anything wrong with the practice, and finally I got in touch with the State Department, and asked their advice in the matter. The result was that the State Department finally gave me a letter to the American consuls in China, asking them to-informing them that I was coming there for the purpose of bringing back some students, and to assist me in any proper way that they could.

Mr. BUSIEK. Let me interrupt you. Had you told the State Department how many students you wanted to bring?

Mr. STEVENS. I don't think that I had. I had told one Congressman that I wanted to bring in 40 or 50.

Mr. BUSIEK. What Congressman?
Mr. STEVENS. That was Humphreys.

And finally I concluded to go over. In the meantime a number of relatives had heard that this Chinese with whom I was identified was going over for that purpose, and they wrote letters from different cities all around the country, from different cities in the United States, to the effect that they had boys over there, nephews or cousins that they wanted to come over, and asked us to bring them over. When I went over it was generally believed there would be a crowd of about 60 that would want to come back. When I got over there I found they had about 150 that desired to come back. Shall I go on with the experience there? Mr. BUSIEK. Well, I take it you took the students before the consul at Canton and made arrangements, had them examined, and had certificates issued, is that right?

Mr. STEVENS. That is correct. But there is a little evidence just preceding that, that I would like to introduce.

Mr. BUSIEK. All right.