Mr. BUSIEK. Incriminate you?

Mr. TAPE. Incriminate me.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you tell Inspector Bonham you won considerable money at gambling?

Mr. TAPE. I also refuse to answer that question.

Mr. BUSIEK. On what ground?

Mr. TAPE. On the ground it might tend to incriminate me. Is that the way? Mr. BUSIEK. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. Did you win considerable money?

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you win considerable money?

Mr. TAPE. I also refuse to answer.

Chairman WALSH. On what ground?

Mr. TAPE. It might incriminate me.

Mr. BUSIEK. You worked with Inspector Taylor here for some time, did you not?

Mr. TAPE. I did, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. For how long?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember the dates. I think it was

Mr. BUSIEK. How many weeks?

Chairman WALSH. Mr. Busiek, I wish you would get where he was born, the name of his father and mother, where he has lived, the various positions he has occupied, where he was educated, and the complete history of him down to this date.

Your name is Frank H. Tape?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where were you born and when?

Mr. TAPE. Born in 1878; November 6; San Francisco, Cal.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is your father's business?

Mr. TAPE. My father is in the bonding business now.

Mr. BUSIEK. What business has he been in in the past?

Mr.. TAPE. Prior to that he was in the teaming business.
Mr. BUSIEK. What is your father's name?

Mr. BUSIEK. How long did you attend?

Mr. TAPE. I only went through the grammar school.

Mr. BUSIEK. You went through grammar school?

Mr. TAPE. Yes.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you graduate?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Ever go to high school?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you had any special education in any way?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. In any academy?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What occupation have you had since you left school?
Mr. TAPE. I went to work for my father in the teaming business.

Mr. BUSIEK. At the time that you worked for your father did you ever get into trouble about some money being abstracted from a trunk that you were hauling to the docks for a Chinaman? Do you remember the instance I refer to?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Let me ask the witness a few questions. I just want to get his personal history.

What school did you go to, Mr. Tape?

Mr. TAPE. I went to the-I have forgotten, the first primary school.

Chairman WALSH. Public school?

Mr. TAPE. Public school in San Francisco.

Chairman WALSH. At what age did you leave school?
Mr. TAPE. What age?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. TAPE. About 15 or 16 years old, I think I was.

Chairman WALSH. Where was the first place you worked?

Mr. TAPE. For my dad.

Chairman WALSH. And how long did you work for your dad?
Mr. TAPE. About five or six years.

Chairman WALSH. In what business?

Mr. TAPE. Teaming business.

Chairman WALSH. What part of the work did you do?

Mr. TAPE. I drove team.

Chairman WALSH. And after you left the service of your father where did you go?

Mr. TAPE. Worked for the railroad company.

Chairman WALSH. What railroad company?

Mr. TAPE. Southern Pacific.

Chairman WALSH. In what capacity?

Mr. TAPE. AS guard and handling Chinese traveling under bond through the United States.

Chairman WALSH. How long did you work for the railroad company?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember exactly, around two or three years.

Chairman WALSH. Where next did you work?

Mr. TAPE. Then I went to work for the Chinese concession in the St. Louis fair, and I worked there about six months, and then I entered the Government service, the Immigration Service.

Chairman WALSH. At what point?

Mr. TAPE. St. Louis.

Chairman WALSH. Did you take the civil-service examination?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. At whose recommendation did you go into the Government service?

Mr. TAPE. James R. Dunn, inspector in charge in St. Louis.

Chairman WALSH. Had you known Mr. Dunn before?

Chairman WALSH. And who did you first work under in St. Louis?

Mr. TAPE. Mr. Dunn.

Chairman WALSH. How long did you work in St. Louis?

Mr. TAPE. Four-five-six-I think three or four years.

Chairman WALSH. And were you investigated at any time while you were there?

Chairman WALSH. Who was the investigator?

Mr. TAPE. I don't know, sir. I have never been told.

Chairman WALSH. What was the result of the investigation?

Mr. TAPE. I have never been told, sir.

Chairman WALSH. What were you charged with?

Mr. TAPE. I don't know. I have never had-they never notified me of the charges.

Chairman WALSH. Where did you go from St. Louis?

Mr. TAPE. To Portland.

Chairman WALSH, What year did you go to Portland?

Mr. TAPE. I think it was 1907.

Chairman WALSH. You went into the service as an interpreter, didn't you? Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Was it a new appointment or were you transferred from St. Louis?

Mr. TAPE. Transferred.

Chairman WALSH. At your own request or the request of some one else? Mr. TAPE. No, sir; the department transferred all the Chinese interpreters all over the United States.

Chairman WALSH. How long did you stay in Portland?

Mr. TAPE. I think I went there in October or November, and I left there the next April or May, some time around there, I don't exactly remember.

Chairman WALSH. What were the circumstances of your leaving there; were you transferred or discharged, or did you resign?

Mr. TAPE. I went South working on special work-smuggling on the Mexican border.

Chairman WALSH. Who had you sent to the South to investigate smuggling on the Mexican border?

Mr. TAPE. The bureau.

Chairman WALSH. What particular individual recommended you, if you know?

Mr. TAPE. I don't know, sir.

Chairman WALSH. How long did you remain in the South investigating smuggling?

Mr. TAPE. I went down there—I don't remember—I think it was right after I left Portland, and I stayed there until somewhere around in the last of October or the first of November of that year.

Chairman WALSH. At what point or points?

Mr. TAPE. I worked in Los Angeles, San Diego, and on. the border down there. Chairman WALSH. Under whose immediate supervision did you work?

Mr. TAPE. Mr. Taylor's.

Chairman WALSH. Did you know Mr. Taylor before you came to Portland?
Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Where did you become acquainted with Mr. Taylor?
Mr. TAPE. The first time?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. TAPE. In San Francisco when I was sent down there.

Chairman WALSH. When you were sent down there on this special work?
Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Who sent you down there?

Mr. TAPE. It was the bureau; I don't remember now just who it was.
Chairman WALSH. You don't remember the individual?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir; I don't.

Chairman WALSH. What is Mr. Taylor's full name?

Mr. TAPE. R. H.-Richard.

Chairman WALSH. Richard H. Taylor.

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir; I don't know what the other is. I believe I was in San Francisco on a vacation when I got that detail. Now, I am not sure. I believe I was in San Francisco on a vacation when the bureau detailed me to work with Mr. Taylor.

Chairman WALSH. Did you meet Mr. Taylor before you went South?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir. The first time I met him was in San Francisco when I got that detail to go to work down there.

Chairman WALSH. Well, you met him before you went off on your detail? Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. To the South?

Mr. TAPE. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. What were the circumstances under which you met Mr. Taylor?

Mr. TAPE. I just met him in the immigration station offices there.

Chairman WALSH. Accidentally?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir; I went up there and inquired for him.

Chairman WALSH. You inquired for him?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Now, how long did you stay in the South?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember the exact months; it was from the time I left Portland until

Chairman WALSH. April to October?

Mr. TAPE. Around May or June until October, I think.

Chairman WALSH. What year was that?

Mr. TAPE. Nineteen

Chairman WALSH. Six years ago?

Mr. TAPE. 1908, I think it was.

Chairman WALSH. 1908?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Now, when you came back from the South, where did you go?

Mr. TAPE. Came back to Seattle.

Chairman WALSH. Came back to Seattle?

Mr. TAPE. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. You were ordered here by whom?

Mr. TAPE. The department in Washington.

Chairman WALSH. Well, did Mr. Taylor order you here, then?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Have you been under the direct supervision of Mr. Taylor ever since?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. How long did you continue this investigation as to smuggling Chinese?

Mr. TAPE. Just the time I was working with him down there.

Chairman WALSH. Now, when you came to Seattle, in what capacity did you come here?

Chairman WALSH. You have been here ever since that time?

Mr. TAPE. I have, sir.

Chairman WALSH. As Chinese interpreter?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Have you had any financial transactions with Mr. Taylor? Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Has he ever paid you any money?

Mr. TAPE. In what way?

Chairman WALSH. Any way, on account, whatsoever?

Mr. TAPE. I loaned him-we were in Jamaica in 1911, and I loaned him $100-I think it was $100; as I came away from Jamaica before he did and we didn't get our checks, and I loaned him $100 at that time, and he returned it to me after he came back here.

Chairman WALSH. When was that?

Mr. TAPE. 1911, in November or December we went to Jamaica and came back. I came back in February, 1912, and he returned the money when he came back, some time in March or April. That is the only time. Chairman WALSH. Have you ever paid him any money?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Has he ever paid you any money on any account whatsoever?

Mr. TAPE. That was the only time he ever did.

Chairman WALSH. Is that the only financial transaction you ever had with Mr. Taylor?

Mr. TAPE. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. All right, Mr. Busiek.

Mr. BUSIEK. You worked with Mr. Taylor during the time that you were under charges, did you not, and up to the time of your suspension?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. You were in pretty constant communication with him, were you not?

Mr. TAPE. I was.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you receive a telegram from Mr. Taylor during that time? Mr. TAPE. Mr. Taylor was here all the time.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you ever get a wire from him from Buffalo or from Washington?

Mr. TAPE. An answer from one I sent him; yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was the purport of that wire?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember the exact words just now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Well, the substance of it, your wire to him and his to you?

Mr. TAPE. I wired him that they were investigating me, and what should I do.

Mr. BUSIEK. And what else?

Mr. TAPE. And he wired me back to demand a written statement of the charges, I believe it was.

Mr. BUSIEK. And what else?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember what else was in it now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did he tell you that he would stand by you?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Are you sure of that?

Mr. TAPE. I am. I didn't see anything in his telegram that said that.

Mr. BUSIEK. What other wire did you receive from him?

Mr. TAPE. I received no other wire from him.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you receive a letter from him following that wire?
Mr. TAPE. Official letter; yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. To what effect?

Mr. TAPE. Telling me what I should do and the work that I was detailed to do.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did he tell you that he would stand by you in this matter of the investigation?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long were you working

Chairman WALSH. Did he tell you in that telegram to stand pat? Did he use that expression? Be careful, now, and remember.

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember. I am not a great one at using slang.

Chairman WALSH. HOW is that?

Mr. TAPE. I don't remember if he said that or not.

Chairman WALSH. Have you that telegram still in your possession?

Mr. TAPE. I may have. I don't know if I have or not.

Chairman WALSH. When was it received?

Mr. TAPE. Some time in May or June.

Chairman WALSH. Did you receive that reply on the same day that you wired him?

Mr. TAPE. No; I don't remember that.

Chairman WALSH. You wired him at Buffalo, or Washington, or where?
Mr. TAPE. I don't remember if I wired him at Buffalo or Washington.
Chairman WALSH. Where did you get his wire from?

Mr. TAPE. From Buffalo.

Chairman WALSH. From Buffalo?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chariman WALSH. How did you know where he was?

Mr. TAPE. Mr. Taylor and I are personal friends, and we always-we 'corresponded every once in a while.

Chairman WALSH. You have personal correspondence outside of your official correspondence?

Mr. TAPE. Only a few letters a year sometimes.

Chairman WALSH. Has Mr. Taylor ever visited you in your home here?
Mr. TAPE. He has a few times.

Chairman WALSH. With anyone else present?

Mr. TAPE. Mrs. Taylor.

Chairman WALSH. How many times has he visited you here?

Mr. TAPE. On this last trip?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. TAPE. Maybe about three times.

Chairman WALSH. Well, prior to this last trip how many times did he visit you at your home here?

Mr. TAPE. Once,

Chairman WALSH. Was Mrs. Taylor with him on all those occasions?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Has he ever been at your home when Mrs. Taylor was not with him?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. When did he first visit your home?

Mr. TAPE. When he came here last year.

Chairman WALSH. 1913?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did he ever visit you in your home at Portland?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. When was the occasion of these last three visits to your home?

Mr. TAPE. When were they?

Chairman WALSH. Yes, sir.