(55) Clause 7 (2).-There should be provision of machinery in this clause for complainants to set the proposed Board in motion by complaint and statement of case to the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration."

(56) There is no appreciation of other interests in the proposed composition of the Discipline Committee.

(57) To secure evidence and fair hearing, it is considered important that Quantity Surveyors, Builders and the general public should be represented on the proposed "Board of Disciplinary Control," which should not in its balance contain the possibility of an overwhelming vote in favour of the particular interest concerned.

(58) Major Barnes has said that this Committee might deal with such a matter as the impartial action of the architect in disputes between employer and builder. This in practice would generally mean disputes between the employer's agent (the architect) and the builder. Any committee (lacking the technical advice and assistance of builders and quantity surveyors) which proposed to sit in judgment upon the impartiality of an architect's action in building disputes or in the interpretation of the conditions of a building contract would be unrepresentative, likely to be ineffective and unjust. It is submitted that the composition of the proposed "Board of Disciplinary Control" should reflect in its composition and balance the interests concerned.

(59) It is difficult to imagine any case affecting the professional conduct of the architect which would not touch the interests of the building public or of one or more units of the Building Industry. But, in order to provide a proper control of architectural professional conduct by architects, where such conduct does not affect other interests, it is suggested there might be provision for the proposed "Board of Disciplinary Control to determine by consent of its representative members the composition of their Committee of Enquiry limiting it to the interest(s) involved.

(60) Clause 8.-Under these proposals this matter would be at the discretion of the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration."

(61) Clause 9.-There is no provision for redress for refusal to remove the name of an architect unwilling to remain on the register.

(62) Clause 10.-The provision for recourse only to the High Court would seem likely to operate harshly against the small practitioner. The above remark on Clause 9 also applies here.

(63) Clause 11.-As a drafting point, the term might better be " registered architect."

registered person

The enabling provision for authorities and persons already performing operations, &c., seems unnecessary and may lead to confused ideas as to persons' rights to carry on certain operations after the passage of this Act.

(64) Clause 12.-This clause appears to be unnecessary and may lead to the idea that to be safe in this matter an architect must be registered. There is already a penalty under Clause 11.

(65) Clause 13.-Under these proposals, this business would be dealt with by the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration."

(66) Clause 15.-Under these proposals, prosecutions would be instituted by the proposed "Board of Disciplinary Control" through the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration." Presumably, "prosecutions" would be of such a nature as to warrant their being initiated at the discretion of the public authority and

conducted at the public expense (if any) in excess of the surplus funds of the proposed Board of Agricultural Examination and Regis

tration."

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(67) Clause 16.-(a) The probable fees are known. It seems to be in the interest of poor students that they should be stated (subject to revision by the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration ").

(68) It is submitted that all regulations under this clause (16) should be under the control and at the discretion of the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration."

(69) If the Board and the Admission Committee are responsible bodies of representative character, they should not be subject to the regulation or decision of the Council of the promoting body. The " consultation proposed in the Bill may mean anything or nothing of value. As the "Board" and the Admission Committee are now proposed to be constituted, materially it might mean consultation with themselves in another capacity.

(70) The approach to the Privy Council via the Council of the promoting body keeps the control and the regulations in the hands of the promoting body. These criticisms would be avoided by adopting the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration," and its machinery.

(71) It is important that the media of publication of proposed regulations should be specific and generally read by interested parties: that the committee(s) of the Privy Council to whom matters of reference will go should be stated; and that there should be provisions for right of approach to these committee(s) through the Privy Council by any relevant interest, for the purpose of promoting alterations or modifications in the regulations. Other interests should not be at the will of the promoting body in this matter. This criticism would be removed by adopting the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration" and its machinery.

(72) Clauses 17 et seq.-Under these proposals, the "Council" would read the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Regis

tration."

(73) Clause 20.-The same objection is noted here as in Clause 16. It is felt that the approval of the Council of the promoting body should not be interposed between any professional member or any body seeking inclusion within the operation of this Bill and the Privy Council.

(74) First Schedule.-The Institute of Builders submits that this schedule should reflect in its composition and in its balance:

(a) An appreciation of architectural expression as a team job; that architecture is inseparable from its co-operative units, and stultified without their equally developed aid.

(b) The right of the several interests contributing towards a common educational fund to fair representation upon a board of educational control, which under this Bill will be in a position to influence educational expenditure and directon.

The Institute of Builders cannot admit in the interests of the building public or of the building industry the principles that:

(a) Local educaton authorities may be superseded be superseded or unduly influenced by a statutory Board of Architecture.

(b) The Board of Education may be superseded or unduly influenced by a statutory Board of Architecture.

(c) Architectural education can be advanced without serious disadvantage unless there is an equal and concurrent advance in the executive and administrative side of Architecture, viz., Building.

(d) Universities in receipt of grants from the public purse should be represented upon a Board of Architectural Education unless the inseparable interest of Building is similarly represented.

(e) Technical Institutions in receipt of similar grants should be represented upon a Board of Architectural Education unless the interest of Building is similarly represented.

(f) There should be representation in Architectural interests from the Board of Education; the Headmasters' Conference, &c., without an equal representation of other units of the industry to ensure reasonable regard to their equal interests in the common educational fund for expenditure in the common field of Building.'

(g) The proposed Board, which will in any event influence the expenditure of public money, should be unduly weighted with any one of a compound of interests.

(75) The Institute of Builders is not insensitive to the special technical requirements of architectural education. These special requirements, however, rise from a common foundation. The schedule should not provide in its composition an opportunity for the architectural interest to acquire an undue share of that foundation. It should not provide an opportunity for the common educational fund to be directed unduly towards the special requirements of one interest.

(76) The chronological order of building services is not necessarily the true order of their importance or the ultimate economic order of authority. Uninfluenced by external aid, the true and economic order will evolve and obtain. There should be no risk in the composition of the Board that evolution in this matter may be retarded or hastened by over-emphasis of the importance and the view of one interest among many-no risk that any one section may be reduced to or held in the position of appendage to another section of an important public service, by the State-aided ascendancy of fixed ideas upon its merits and needs, operating through a weighted statutory Board controlling the very root of the matter, viz., education.

(77) It is not proposed that the First Schedule should be recast to deprive architecture of a proper control of architectural practice or of proper effect in the special needs of architectural education.

(78) It is proposed that the controlling authority and its subsidiary machinery should be independent of any one interest. Also that interests in education and in practice, co-operative with and inseparable from Architecture, should be reasonably regarded with adequate representation upon that controlling authority and in its subsidiary machinery.

(79) It is further proposed that the controlling authority (the proposed "Board of Architectural Examination and Registration ") should be substituted for the First Schedule, nominated by recognised bodies and be adequately representative of co-operative interests in architetural education and practice.

(80) Also it is proposed:

(a) That the proposed "Board of Examination" should be a com mittee of the above body.

(b) That the proposed "Board of Disciplinary Control" should be another committee of the above body containing in its full composition adequate representation of all interests, co-operative with architecture, which may be affected.

APPENDIX No. 9.

PAPER handed in by Major Harry Barnes, F.R.I.B.A., F.S.I.

MEMORANDUM ON THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE EDUCATION REQUIRED TO ENABLE THE NECESSARY QUALIFICATION FOR REGISTRATION ΤΟ BE

OBTAINED.

(See Q. 336.)
NOTES.

1. These estimates are the actual costs at the present time in qualifying for the R.I.B.A. examinations and may be expected to be reduced.

2. In cases where whole-time study was taken the cost of maintenance requires to be added.

3. In all cases examination fees require to be added. For the R.I.B.A. examinations these are:

For the Registration examinations these might be reduced. They would be payable over the period of five years during which the student was qualifying.

4. The figures given are therefore the educational cost apart from maintenance and examination fees.

Case A.-A student in London taking full advantage of the opportunities for training given by the London County Council.

Note. If similar facilities do not exist in the provinces they would be pressed for by the Board of Architectural Education.

The explanation of the diagram that follows is taken from the Report of the Higher Education Sub-Committee of the London County Council who reported in June as follows, on the Architects Registration Bill.

"The Council makes provision in its educational scheme for instruction in architecture, building and allied subjects, and the question of the recognition of architects is, therefore, of importance from the educational standpoint. The Bill would appear to require, in the future, a definite standard of training before individuals are recognised as architects, and, from this point of view, the Committee will no doubt view the Bill sympathetically. Adequate provision appears to be made for safeguarding the interests of existing practitioners and enabling them to become registered.

"Under the Council's scholarship scheme there are two main avenues open to intending architects, in either of which a youth of capacity and intelligence can receive from the Council such financial assistance through scholarships as will enable him to secure the necessary training. In the first case, a boy may proceed from an elementary school by means of a junior county scholarship to an approved secondary school, and thence to a technical institute, school of art or school of architecture by means of an intermediate or senior county scholarship. In the second case, a boy may proceed from the elementary, central or junior technical

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school to industry or to an architect's office, and may there receive preliminary training. Should he continue his studies at a polytechnic, technical institute or school of art for at least two years whilst he is engaged in industrial employment, he may then become a candidate for a senior technological scholarship, which would enable him to take up a full-time course of training at a school of architecture. We are of opinion that these avenues are adequate for boys whose parents find a difficulty in financing their training, and that there is thus adequate opportunity through day and evening classes for intending architects to receive satisfactory training which will qualify them to pass the necessary examinations for admission to the Royal Institute of British Architects.

"The Board of Architectural Education set up by the Royal Institute of British Architects has been in operation for some time and is of a widely representative character as is indicated above. Before the introduction of this Bill the Council had agreed to the request of the Royal Institute of British Architects that the education officer should serve on this Board, and the constitution of the existing Board is set out in the First Schedule to the Bill. Owing to its widely representative character, there is every reason to think that this Board should exercise a reasonable moderating influence in connection with the requirements to be laid down for the training of architects. We recommend:

"That the provisions of the Architects (Registration) Bill be approved on educational grounds; and that the Parliamentary Committee be so informed.

Case B.-A student being a Pupil in an Office and taking Evening Classes only.

Evening Course (five evenings per week). A course preparing a student for the R.I.B.A. Intermediate and Final Examinations would last for approximately six years (assuming it to be supplemented by experience