15. The proposed modification of Clause 11 in the direction of protecting the use of such a title as registered architect" instead of "architect " would not meet the case, as it would be considered necessary that architecture" of any kind should be carried out by a registered architect " to the exclusion of engineers who had been accustomed to do certain classes of architectural or quasi-architectural work.

16. Clause 5 (1) (c) should be amended to include those persons who have been in bona-fide practice as architects prior to the passing of the Act, but who having relinquished such practice at the time may desire to resume it later.

17. Members of the Institution have been articled, trained and practised as Architects, either before or after being trained as Municipal Engineers.

18. The proposed amendment to Clause 20, page 8, line 13, which has been agreed to by the Royal Institute of British Architects is desired not only by the Institution, but also by Associations representing Local Government Authorities. Its inclusion would render it unnecessary for such bodies to consider the necessity of tendering evidence on matters of detail.

APPENDIX No. 4.

PAPER handed in by Major G. B. J. Athoe.

PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ARCHITECTS (REGISTRATION) BILL.

Clause 2, page 1, leave out lines 11 and 12, and insert:

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"The expression the Council' means the Council constituted for the purposes of this Act in manner prescribed in the third Schedule to this Act."

Clause 5, page 2, leave out lines 40 and 41, and insert:

(c) Every person who at the passing of this Act is in bona fide practice as an architect or is a member of the Institute or either of its allied societies or is an architect member of the Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors."

Clause 5, page 3, line 16, at the end insert:

(iii) Who after the expiration of five years from the passing of this Act qualifies by examination and is admitted as an Associate or Fellow Member of the Institute or as an Associate or Fellow Member of the Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors, provided such examination is approved by the Board of Architectural Education hereinafter constituted." Leave out subsections (2) and (3) and insert:

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"(2) If any question arises as to whether any person is or is not entitled to be registered under paragraph (c) and (d) of this section or paragraph (1) of Section 6 such question shall be referred to and determined by the admission committee, hereinafter in this section mentioned, and on the admission committee reporting to the Council that any such person is or is not entitled to be so registered, the Council shall thereupon inform such person in writing of the decision of the admission committee and shall enter or refuse to enter his name in the register.

"(3) For the purposes of this Act there shall be appointed annually an Admission Committee consisting of twenty-one persons, three to be nominated by The Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors, two to be nominated by the Association of Architects, Surveyors and Technical Assistants, one to be nominated by each of the ten other bodies specified in the Second Schedule to this Act and six members to be nominated by the Institute. The admission committee shall continue in existence for such period as may be necessary to deal with questions arising under subsection (2) of this section or arising under paragraph (1) of Section 6."

Clause 6, page 4, line 4, at the end insert :

"Provided that no regulations made under this section shall be of any force or validity unless and until they have been approved by the Privy Council, and the Privy Council shall before giving their approval cause the regulations to be published and give interested persons an opportunity of being heard thereon."

Clause 6, page 4, line 5, amend subsection (2) to read:

"If on the advice of the Board of Architectural Education (in this Act called the Board ') constituted for the purposes of this Act in manner prescribed in the First Schedule to this Act and to be appointed annually by the respective authorities represented on the Board the prescribed qualifications include the passing of any examinations other than those hereinbefore provided the Council shall provide for the holding by the Board of such examinations at least once in each year and at such times and places as the Board may prescribe: The Council shall recognize as examinations under this section the passing of which is or may be recognized by the Board for exemption from the examinations of the Board: Provided always that recognition of examinations once accorded shall not be withdrawn without the approval of the Privy Council."

Clause 7, page 4, Sub-section (2), amend lines 40 to 44 to read :—

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Discipline Committee consisting of seven members, one member being a Vice-President of the Institute, one member being a VicePresident of the Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors, one member being a Vice-President of the Association of Architects, Surveyors and Technical Assistants, one member appointed by the Minister of Health, one member appointed by the President for the time being of the Law Society, one member appointed by the Incorporation of Architects in Scotland and one member appointed by the Ulster Society of Architects (Incorporated). The Council shall convene a meeting of the discipline committee from time to time whenever necessary to hold any such inquiry."

Clause 10, page 5, line 15, after "register insert:

"may within two months from the date on which he receives notice in writing to that effect from the Council appeal against the refusal or the removal as the case may be and the Council shall then give notice in writing to the appellant to appear at the Council's next meeting and hear his appeal. If the appellant's appeal is unsuccessful or if he does not elect to appear before the Council he " &c.

Clause 11, page 5, substitute the following:

"11. Any registered person shall be entitled to take and use the name or title of architect' or any style containing the word 'architect,' but a person shall not practise in Great Britain or Northern Ireland under any name, title or style containing the word architect,' unless he is a registered person, and any unregistered person who so practises or wilfully pretends to be a registered person, or takes or uses the name or title of an architect or any name, title, style, or description implying that he is a registered person or that he is recognized by law as a member of the profession of an architect shall on summary conviction be liable to a penalty not exceeding fifty pounds for the first offence and one hundred pounds for every subsequent offence: Provided that subject to the provisions of this section nothing in this Act shall prevent any local authority or person performing any act or operations in connection with the construction of buildings which such local authority or person was entitled to perform prior to the passing of this Act: Provided also that nothing in this section shall affect the validity as between contracting parties of any act of any person under any customary form or conditions of a building contract."

Clause 12, page 6, substitute the following:

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"12. After the expiration of five years from the passing of this Act a person shall not be entitled to recover any charge in any court of law for any professional services rendered as an architect unless he is entitled to the use of the title architect under this Act: Provided that this section shall not apply to any services rendered in pursuance of any contract made before the passing of this Act."

Clause 16, page 7, line 5, leave out "held by or at the instance of the Council under the provisions of this Act" and insert:

"to be held by or at the instance of the Council or of the Board under the provisions of this Act."

First Schedule, page 9, line 36, insert:

"The Workers' Educational Association.
"Union of Educational Institutions.

"The President of the Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors."

Third Schedule, add Third Schedule:

Constitution of the Council.

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Representatives of the following bodies to be nominated by their respective Councils, viz. :

The Royal Institute of British Architects, including its Allied Societies (14 members).

The Incorporated Association of Architects and Surveyors (5 members).

The Surveyors' Institution (2 members).

One representative of each of the following bodies, viz. :—

The Law Society.

The Ministry of Health.

The Board of Education.

The Institution of Civil Engineers.

The Institution of Municipal and County Engineers.

The Society of Engineers.

The Institution of Structural Engineers.

The Auctioneers' and Estate Agents' Institute.

The Incorporated Society of Auctioneers.

STATUTORY REGISTRATION OF QUALIFIED ARCHITECTS.

You will, I am sure, be interested to know that the draft Bill for the Registration of Qualified Architects, which has been prepared by a representative Committee, has received the approval of the Council of the R.I.B.A. and is now being considered by the Councils of all the Allied Societies in the country. When their approval has been notified the Bill will be submitted to the Members of the R.I.B.A. and no time will be lost in getting it before Parliament.

You will remember how many years of effort have had to be devoted to reaching this stage in the promotion of a Bill which is so eagerly looked for by the great majority of the profession, and how many sacrifices have had to be made to secure the necessary unity of support in the profession. As a result of these efforts the R.I.B.A., acting in complete harmony with the whole body of Allied Societies throughout Great Britain, is in a position to introduce a Bill supported by a practically united profession.

At this critical moment short-sighted efforts are being made to create new societies in the profession which will not only have no organic connection with either the R.I.B.A. or its Allied Societies, but will inevitably hamper the carrying through of the policy upon which we are united. If successful in obtaining any substantial membership, these Societies will inevitably give to Parliament and the general public an impression that the architectural profession is a divided body, and the work of passing the Bill into law will be impeded and delayed. IT IS. THEREFORE, OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE to the interests of the architectural profession generally and of the Allied Societies in particular that no members either of the R.I.B.A. or of an Allied Society should have anything to do with these new bodies to which I have referred.

There is nothing in the draft Bill which will affect detrimentally the interests of any person now living by the practice of architecture, and any architect who helps to establish independent architectural organizations is NOT assisting the cause of Registration, but is creating difficulties which may delay its attainment.

Yours faithfully,

6 & 7, St. John's Square,

Cardiff.

IVOR P. JONES,

Hon. Secretary.

APPENDIX No. 6.

FORWARDED by the Institution of Civil Engineers.

PRÉCIS OF EVIDENCE OF SIR CHARLES L. MORGAN, C.B.E., PAST-PRESIDENT INST.C.E., ON BEHALF OF THE INSTITUTION OF CIVIL ENGINEERS.

Sir Charles Morgan will say:

I am a Past-President of the Institution of Civil Engineers. I was for 13 years Chief Assistant Engineer of the Great Eastern Railway, and for 21 years Chief Engineer of the London, Brighton and South Coast Railway. In both capacities I have been responsible for the constructional work carried out by those Companies, including the enlargement of Liverpool Street Station and the reconstruction and enlargement of Victoria Station. I am one of the members of the representative Committee and an Engineer member of the Works Sub-Committee entrusted with the work of preservation of St. Paul's Cathedral now proceeding. Sir Charles Morgan will say that:

(1) The Institution of Civil Engineers was founded in 1818 and granted its first Royal Charter in 1828-six years before the Royal Institute of British Architects was founded. The Roll of the Institution on the 1st May, 1927, was 9,997, of whom 8,339 are Corporate Members and 1,576 are Students. The remaining 82 are Associates, who are not engineers by profession.

(2) The Council of the Institution of Civil Engineers view with grave concern the consequences to members of the Institution from the passage of such a Bill as that before the Committee.

(3) They desire to point out in the first place that the Bill contains no definition of the scope of the profession of an architect, neither does the Charter of the Royal Institute of British Architects contain any description of Architecture, except inferentially by referring to it as an Art "tending to promote the domestic convenience of citizens and the public improvement and embellishment of towns and cities."

(4) The powers placed by the Bill in the hands of the Royal Institute of British Architects would therefore enable the Council of that Institute to register as architects persons practising any kind of professional work which they might choose to regard as Architecture, and the registration of such persons under the title of Architect (or Registered Architect) in pursuance of an Act of Parliament would inevitably lead to public acceptance of the view that their work was legally defined as Architecture and could only be carried out by architects. The extent to which, in the absence of a definition of Architecture or "Architect," the powers of the Bill are thus capable of application in a manner affecting the interests of other persons is indicated by the fact that the promoters of the Bill have included in it provisions referring to Engineers, Surveyors, Estate Agents, and Auctioneers, and propose to further include Rating Surveyors and Valuers.

(5) So far as members of the Institution of Civil Engineers are concerned, the majority engage, and always have engaged, in the design and construction of buildings which form essential elements of engineering undertakings, e.g., railway stations; dock and railway warehouses; reservoirs, towers, etc., for waterworks; buildings such as factories, pumping-stations, power-stations, etc., for the housing of machinery; and municipal installations. It has been their usual practice in the case of works of considerable public importance, or occupying important sites, to seek the advice of and/or to employ architects in regard to external details and arrangements in which artistic issues are involved.