matter of fact, is it not utterly impossible for them to find only a very few of those that die on the range? Mr. HEUSCHKEL. We figure 50 per cent. That is what we figured on our range. That is, on our particular range. But it works more than that on forest ranges. The conditions will vary in the different localities. Representative TAYLOR. That is all. I wanted to ask Mr. Sherman a question. Senator CAMERON. All right. Thank you, Mr. Heuschkel. Representative TAYLOR. Mr. Sherman, the question arose as to the relief that was granted this year to certain sections. That relief bill that was passed by the last Congress did not apply to this country at all? Mr. SHERMAN. It applied to only drought-stricken regions. Representative TAYLOR. And you do not consider this country in that region? Mr. SHERMAN. No. Representative TAYLOR. What territory did you apply it to? Mr. SHERMAN. My recollection is that it applied to all of Arizona and to all but the four northern forests of New Mexico. Representative TAYLOR. And did not apply to any of the rest of the country? Mr. SHERMAN. No. Representative TAYLOR. It was limited afterwards by change in the bill? Senator CAMERON. I think Mr. Sherman is wrong about that, and I am going to wire to-night to get the resolution. I think that up to the 1st day of July it applied to all cattle and sheep on all forest reserves. That was the Vaile Resolution that was introduced by Mr. Vaile, Congressman from this State, and was adopted by the Agricultural Committee in lieu of my resolution that was introduced by myself to eliminate all forest grazing fees for 1925. And it came over to the Senate, and I accepted it. Representative TAYLOR. The only thing, Senator, that I want to say is that we never got any benefit from it. Senator CAMERON. I want to find out about that. I may be mistaken, but I think I am absolutely correct. Representative TAYLOR. If you are correct, we ought to have something coming, because we never got any benefit from it. Senator CAMERON. I will wire in and get the full resolution tonight, and I will have it for you folks to-morrow morning. Mr. SHERMAN. Mr. Chairman, my personal recollection is that the bill that was passed was the Vaile Resolution by number and title, but that in the House Committee on Agriculture the body of the bill that was substituted was the bill providing for relief in drought stricken districts. Senator CAMERON. Well, I will get the full law, and I will know just what it is. Representative TAYLOR. The title was good, but we did not get any relief. Mr. SLOSS. I will have to take issue with Mr. Hatton in regard to sheep eradicating larkspur. I have ridden these ranges for a good many years, and I would like to take Mr. Hatton up on that range and show him where they have eaten everything but the larkspur. Mr. HATTON. I did not mean it that way. I said we put sheep on those ranges because it did not hurt the sheep. Mr. SLOSS. I thought you meant that the sheep eradicated the larkspur. Mr. HATTON. No. Mr. HEUSCHKEL. On behalf of the Grand Mesa Livestock Association I want to say that it is their sentiment that they would like the Interior Department to have charge of the public domain as well as the forest reserve if it could be worked that way. Mr. BAER. Mr. Chairman, I would like to state in view of Mr. Hatton's statement, as far as the percentage of stockmen who might have appeared before you, that I, as president of the Rio Blanco County Farmers and Stock Growers Association, have appeared before you, and I represent probably 100 cattlemen. Senator CAMERON. Thank you. Mr. SLOSS. And just one more word, if you will pardon me. You know we had this meeting last Monday of stockmen here, and we had a great many stockmen here who could not possibly stay. I just want that statement to appear in the record to account for the poor showing that we have made here to-day. Senator CAMERON. I think that you have made a very good showing. As acting chairman of the subcommittee and on behalf of my colleagues I want to say that we have enjoyed being here with you, and we feel that we have had about all the work that we could take care of in the one day, so that if we had some further witnesses I don't know how we could handle them, because we must now leave for New Mexico. We want to thank you for your attendance, and we appreciate you all being here, and we are for you. The committee will now adjourn. (Thereupon, at 6 o'clock p. m., Wednesday, October 7, 1925, the committee adjourned, to reconvene at Albuquerque, N. Mex., on Friday, October 9, 1925.) |