Chairman WALSH. Had you any trouble with Linderfelt?

Mr. Low. No, sir; I never had a word with him.

Chairman WALSH. Had you had any trouble with any of the military officers or members of the militia while you were there?

Mr. Low. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. No words of any kind?

Mr. Low. No words at all.

Chairman WALSH. You say you were not a member of a union?

Mr. Low. I am a member of no union.

Chairman WALSH. Had you ever been?

Mr. Low. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you answer all questions put to you by Maj. Hamrock as well as you could?

Mr. Low. I answered all of the questions he asked me; I just gave him good, straight answers, and the conversation was very short between us.

Chairman WALSH. When Capt. van Cise talked to you, what did you tell

him?

Mr. Low. I don't know as I can tell you the exact language, but he wanted to know of me-asked me if there was men around my place or down to the bridge, this big steel bridge up this side of my place across the arroyo, and I told him there was men there. He said, "Did they have civilian clothes on?" And I said, "I can't tell exactly whether they did or not." And he wanted to know if I thought they were union men, or words to that effect, and I said, "I don't know, I was in a hurry to get out and I didn't have time to take any notice." They might have been mine guards and they might have been union men and they might not, because I saw lots of mine guards in civilian clothes walking up and down guarding the track.

Chairman WALSH. Is this a large well connected with your tank?
Mr. Low. It is between 95 and 100 feet deep and 22 feet across.

Chairman WALSH. Now, you stated you gave some people there some advice about going down there?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. How many people did finally go down?

Mr. Low. Well, I should judge there must have been 70 or 75 women and children in the well.

Chairman WALSH. How long did they stay down in the well?

Mr. Low. Well, they came out of there between 6 and 7 o'clock in the evening. I was not there when they came out, but I was down to the ranch below when they came down. There was a train pulled in on the C. & S. road going south, and the train stopped right there close to the pump house, and the soldiers was on the other side of the train and the well was on that side, and they saw a number get out of there and go down in the arroyo. Chairman WALSH. What time did they get out?

Mr. Low. It must have been about 7 o'clock.

Chairman WALSH. In the evening?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. So the 75 women and children were in your well all day? Mr. Low. Yes, sir; they were in the well all day.

Chairman WALSH. There were steps going down into the well?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. And platforms?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; four different landings with steps to each landing.
Chairman WALSH. Is the well covered?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Had the entire 75 women and children gone into the well before you left there?

Mr. Low. Well, I think they had. I think a few came afterwards, but I didn't know when they came.

Chairman WALSH. Had you ever been in the tent colony prior to that time? Mr. Low. Since the tent colony has been there I don't believe I have been over there over a dozen times.

Chairman WALSH. Prior to this time had the people dug pits or cellars?
Mr. Low. Well, there was lots of tents had cellars under them.

Chairman WALSH. HOW were they, just dug into the ground?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; dug into the ground and a floor laid over the top of them. Chairman WALSH. Just as any man would dig under his house?

Mr. Low. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. And boards over them?

Mr. Low. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. And this place where the women and children were found dead, where was that with reference to the tents, what part of the tent colony was that in?

Mr. Low. Well, it is very near to the west end, the west end of the tent colony.

Chairman WALSH. Were you there when the fire broke out?

Mr. Low. No, sir; I was down at Bayes's ranch, a mile below; I saw it about the time it started.

Chairman WALSH. When did you come back?

Mr. Low. I came back-my wife and I went that night to a ranch about 5 miles away, and the next morning I took her and the little girl up to Augusta and sent them to Pueblo, and I went to Trinidad on the freight.

Chairman WALSH. What time did you come back to your house at Ludlow? Mr. Low. I think it was on Friday; I believe it was.

Chairman WALSH. How far was this place where Louis Tikas and Fyler were killed from your house?

Mr. Low. Well, it is right close to the water tank, right east of the water tank about 200 yards.

Chairman WALSH. Right east of the water tank about 200 yards?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; from my house.

Chairman WALSH. In what direction?

Mr. Low. Very near south; it may be a little west of south, but I don't think it is.

Chairman WALSH. How close was it to the camp?

Mr. Low. East.

Chairman WALSH. How close to the tent colony?

Mr. Low. Where they were killed?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. Low. It could not have been over 50 feet from where the first tent was. Chairman WALSH. Not over 50 feet?

Mr. Low. No.

Chairman WALSH. Where is this camp-where was this camp where the soldiers were?

Mr. Low. West of my water tank, west of the tent colony.

Chairman WALSH. You saw the place where the body of Tikas was said to have been found, and Fyler?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. How far was that from the camp of the military, of the militia?

Mr. Low. Well, let's see, that military camp must be about-it can't be over about 450 or 500 yards of where he was killed.

Chairman WALSH. About 500 yards of where Tikas was killed?

Mr. Low. Yes.; I should judge that.

Chairman WALSH. What side of the railroad track was he killed?

Mr. Low. On the east side.

Chairman WALSH. You say he was within about 50 feet of the first tent? Mr. Low. Yes.

Chairman WALSH. And about 250 yards, did you say, from the camp of the militia?

Mr. Low. No, sir; it was worse than that-it was about 450 yards from the camp of the militia?

Chairman WALSH. About 450 yards from the camp of the militia?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you observe-oh, you were not there that evening? Mr. Low. No.

Chairman WALSH. Were you there when the incident of Lieut. Linderfelt's horse being caught in a barb wire took place?

Mr. Low. I was not there and did not see it, but I know they took and cut up all the barb wire there was and threw it into a well where the union people got water from, but I don't know whether they cut it up because the horse ran into it.

Chairman WALSH. They did what, you say?

Mr. Low. They cut up the barb wire and took it and rolled it up and threw it into a well that was there where the union people used to get lots of water from.

Chairman WALSH. Where was that well they got the water from?
Mr. Low. It was right south of the camp on the wagon road.
Chairman WALSH. Was it east of the railroad track?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; just about; maybe 125 feet east of the railroad track. Chairman WALSH. Was it an old well?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; it was an old well.

Chairman WALSH. It had been there before these people made their camp there, the tent colony?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you see them when they cut up the barb wire and threw it down there?

Mr. Low. I didn't go down there, but I saw them when they was cutting it up and saw them take it over and throw it down in the well, and after they had gone I walked down there and saw the wire in the well and saw the wire after the union men pulled the wire out of the well.

Chairman WALSH. How long did it take them to haul it out of the well?

Mr. Low. Not a great while. I don't think it was over 50 or 75 pounds of wire that was thrown in the well, but that makes quite a string.

Chairman WALSH. When was that with reference to the 20th of April, the day of the difficulty?

Mr. Low. The cutting of this wire?

Chairman WALSH. Yes.

Mr. Low. Oh, it was quite awhile before that. I could not tell you exactly how long before.

Chairman WALSH. Did you ever see or hear any altercations between Louis Tikas and any military officer or soldier?

Mr. Low. I never did. He had the reputation of being a very quiet man. Chairman WALSH. Was he or was he not frequently around the depot and the water tank?

Mr. Low. He used to be around the depot. He never came over to my pump station. I don't suppose he was over there more than two or three times all the time I was there.

Chairman WALSH. What was your feeling before this Ludlow difficulty, so far as the militia was concerned and so far as the strikers were concerned?

Mr. Low. I was neutral. The militia when they first came in there-I will say Company K-they were gentlemen. After they had been there awhile things got kind of muddled up a little, but they were a nice lot of men, a fine lot of men, and they seemed to get along nicely with the union when they first came down.

Chairman WALSH. Did this feeling of neutrality on your part exist during the entire stay of the militia?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; I have never taken sides with either side.

Chairman WALSH. And have not yet?

Mr. Low. No.

Chairman WALSH. You undertook to give Capt. Hamrock a fair and honest statement of what took place just as you saw it?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; I told him just as I saw it.

Chairman WALSH. And told him about it in a respectful manner?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; in a gentlemanly way.

Chairman WALSH. Did you answer all questions put to you by Capt. van Cise in a similar manner?

Mr. Low. Yes, sir; I answered him in the same way.

Chairman WALSH. Thank you, Mr. Low; that is all. You will be excused. At this point we will take an adjournment until to-morrow morning at 10 o'clock.

(Thereupon, at 4.30 o'clock p. m., the further proceedings were adjourned until the following morning, Friday, December 11, at 10 o'clock.)

DENVER, COLO., Friday, December 11, 1914-10 a. m. Present: Chairman Walsh, Commissioners Ballard, O'Connell, Lennon, Garretson, Weinstock, and Harriman,

Chairman WALSH. The commission will please come to order.

H. C. Farber.

TESTIMONY OF MR. HARRY C. FARBER.

Chairman WALSH. Your name?

Mr. FARBER. H. C. Farber.

Chairman WALSH. Where do you reside, Mr. Farber?

Mr. FARBER. Ludlow, Colo.

Chairman WALSH. How long have you resided at Ludlow, Colo.?

Mr. FARBER. About 18 months.

Chairman WALSH. What is your business?

Mr. FARBER. Agent for the Colorado & Southern Railway.

Chairman WALSH. You are the gentleman, I believe, who produced the telegram from Maj. Boughton to Gen. Chase, which was offered in evidence yesterday?

Mr. FARBER. I am, sir.

Chairman WALSH. What were the circumstances under which you produced it?

Mr. FARBER. By request of the committee-
Chairman WALSH. Did you produce

Mr. FARBER (interrupting). On summons.

Chairman WALSH. Did you produce that upon a subpœna duces tecum, and a written resolution of this commission demanding you to produce it?

Mr. FARBER. I did; yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. How long have you been station agent at Ludlow?

Mr. FARBER. Eighteen months.

Chairman WALSH. Were you there during the difficulty on April 20, 1914, at Ludlow?

Mr. FARBER. I was; yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. You have been there 18 months?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you observe' the militia around your station prior to the occurrence of this trouble, and their conduct and the conduct of the striking miners in the same neighborhood?

Mr. FARBER. Why, personally, as far as the office was concerned, and the property, it was not molested by either the strikers or the militia.

Chairman WALSH. That is, the railroad property?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir; we always got along with them-with both sides. Chairman WALSH. Did you see a boy on the station platform who had been struck on the head?

Mr. FARBER. I did; yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Did you have any conversation with him soon after he was wounded?

Mr. FARBER. I was out-I went outside to one of our local trains, and as I went out the boy was there on the platform and had his head-I could hardly tell how bad, but it was-well, I should say, pretty badly cut.

Chairman WALSH. Was he bleeding at the time?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir; I particularly noticed his face and asked him questions. I went to bring him in and I met Linderfelt at the depot-at the door of the depot.

Chairman WALSH. That is, Lieut. Linderfelt?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir; and he asked me what I was doing with that man, and I told him I was taking him in the office to give him some kind of assistance. He informed me that he was a military prisoner and took him in charge and kept him prisoner under guard until after our train had left. That was, I should remark, about 20 or 25 minutes that he held him prisoner there at the office.

Chairman WALSH. Do you recall the date of that?

Mr. FARBER. No; I can not; but it was the date that they had that kind of wire-cutting proposition up there where the wire was across the road. Chairman WALSH. That a horse stumbled over?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir,

Chairman WALSH. Did you hear upon that occasion, or upon any other occasion, any officer of the National Guard use profane language in the presence of women on your premises?

Mr. FABER. I heard Linderfelt, that evening.
Chairman WALSH. Was that the only time?
Mr. FARBER. I think it was the only time.

Chairman WALSH. Did or did not Lieut. Linderfelt have any controversy with Louis Tikas that afterwards lost his life there?

Mr. FARBER. Tikas showed up at the oflice a few minutes after I found this young gentleman on the platform that was assaulted, and just about the time he showed up he was at the ticket window buying a ticket to Trinidad, and Linderfelt came in and took this man Tikas outside of the wating room, and I heard some awful loud language outside, but I didn't go out to see what it was, because I didn't think it concerned me.

Chairman WALSH. What do you say was said?

Mr. FARBER. Why, he was taken outside.
Chairman WALSH. Who was taken outside?

Mr. FARBER. Tikas, by Linderfelt.

Chairman WALSH. Did you hear any of the conversation?

Mr. FARBER. I could hear it but could not understand the words; it was very loud and abusive.

Chairman WALSH. On both sides?

Mr. FARBER. Tinkas was denying the charge that he had placed the wire across the road; he claimed that he knew nothing about it whatever.

Chairman WALSH. And you say you could not hear what Lieut. Linderfelt said to him?

Mr. FARBER. I did not try.

Chairman WALSH. Do you know whether or not any of the militiamen at Ludlow, just before the fight of April 20, were mine guards?

Mr. FARBER. I knew they were; yes, sir.

Chariman WALSH. HOW did you know that?

Mr. FARBER. Well, they had been mine guards before the strike was called. I was personally acquainted, I believe, with two of the gentlemen.

Chairman WALSH. Are any of the men whom you knew and observed as militiamen at Ludlow immediately prior to April 20 at the present time acting as mine guards in the mines near Ludlow?

Mr. FARBER. Two of them I know of.

Chairman WALSH. At what mines?

Mr. FARBER. One is the mine guard at the entrance to the Berwind Canyon. Well, the two of them are stationed there-mine guards at the entrance of the Berwind Canyon.

Chairman WALSH. Are they the same two that were there before, or others? Mr. FARBER. The same two that were stationed there.

Chairman WALSH. Did you hear any person or persons say anything about the destruction of the tent colony?

Mr. FARBER. Indirectly, I did. It was my understanding that as soon as they got there it would be burned.

Chairman WALSH. You mean that day?

Mr. FARBER. Yes, sir; the day of the battle-April 20. It was my understanding-well, it was everyone's understanding at the time--that as soon as they reached there, it should be destroyed.

Chairman WALSH. Well, was there any fire in the tent colony at the time you heard that?

Mr. FARBER. Any fire? No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Any tent had been set fire yet?

Mr. FARBER. No, sir; but it never was heard by me, but was just the general understanding there.

Chairman WALSH. You never heard that from anybody?

Mr. FARBER. No, I did not; but I knew it was coming just as soon as they got there.

Chairman WALSH. Well, then, that was merely a suspicion, in your mind, Mr. Farber?

Mr. FARBER. No, it was not a suspicion; I couldn't say that, because I was positive just as soon as they got there it would be burned.

Chairman WALSH. But you have nothing to base that on?

Mr. FARBER. No; only just the heretofore proposition as to what had occurred.