don't allow you to organize a society under them there. Of course they run that by themselves. They are very peculiar about such ideas.

Mr. BUSIEK. Well, in a letter to Mr. Cowell, under date of August 19, 1911, I will ask you if you did not sign yourself as "S. E. Hing, organizer of the Chinese Y. W. C. A. and W. C. T. U."?

Mrs. HING. Yes; the Young Ladies' Christian Association and the Womens' Christian Association.

Mr. BUSIEK. But you were using

Mrs. HING. I was organizing myself under that; Mr. Bergholtz told me I could organize any Christian society I wished to; I could do that.

Mr. BUSICK. Mr. Bergholtz was

Mrs. HING. He was American consul at that time.

Mr. BUSIEK. At Canton?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Now, how many studeents did you bring over?

Mrs. HING. There were 21 boys came, one was a traveler and 20 were students. Mr. BUSIEK. How much money per head did they pay you?

Mrs. HINGE. There was $25 apiece to pay to the school for three months' tuition. That is all they gave me. And they paid their own ticket money, that is, I interceded for them to get it, and that is all that I saw of their money.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you ever get in touch with the friends or relatives to whom they were destined here in the United States?

Mrs. HING. There was some of them sent letters through me and I gave them to Mr. Bergholtz, letters they would support those boys, and I think they should be made to do it.

Mr. BUSIEK. You paid $25 apiece, then, to Cushing Academy?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; I have the receipt at home for it.

Mr. BUSIEK. That is all the money you ever got out of any of those boys? Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did they have any money besides that?

Mrs. HING. Some of them did, and some of them didn't. Their parents or or whoever their guardian was here, was to support them in the school.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was the first intimation you had that these students were deserting the Cushing Academy?

Mrs. HING. I got a letter from Mr. Caldwell stating some of the boys had left. I was back in China, and I came right back to America.

Mr. BUSIEK. You came back where?

Mrs. HING. To America, and I have been working ever since to get the boys in school, or send them back.

Mr. BUSIEK. I didn't understand where you say you came back to.

Mrs. HING. I came back to America, to Seattle. I lived here until last January, then I went to Ellensburg.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you know those boys before you brought them over?

Mrs. HING. Some of them I did and some I didn't.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did anybody assist you in bringing them?

Mrs. HING. No, sir; nobody at all.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you and Mr. Hing ever live in Chicago?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What business was he in?

Mrs. HING. None at all. We lived there before we went to China; we lived there only two or three weeks.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was your address in Chicago?

Mrs. HING. We stopped at a rooming house.

Mr. BUSIEK. You stopped where?

Mrs. HING. We stopped at a rooming house; I am trying to think of the number now and the street. I can't think of the number, but we stopped at a girl's that is married to a Chin company there. It was on Fourth Avenue, Plymouth Place then; it has changed hands.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you ever live in St. Paul?

Mrs. HING. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Or Minneapolis?

Mrs. HING. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you stop there?

Mrs. HING. I have been through there; I never stopped off there.

Mr. BUSIEK. What were your movements after you left the East, after having placed those boys in Cushing Academy?

Mrs. HING. I went home to Peoria to see my mother; that is what I came here for. I stopped there a month, and my husband went to Duluth and opened a store and placed two of his cousins there, and we went back to China, where I had my school, and I could not leave it.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was Mr. Hing doing?

Mrs. HING. He was interpreter in the school.

Mr. BUSIEK. He was what?

Mrs. HING. Interpreter.

Mr. BUSIEK. He was acting as your interpreter?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; interpreter.

Mr. BUSIEK. What business are you in now?

Mrs. HING. We are the O. & O. Medicine Co..-Oriental and Occidental.
Mr. BUSIEK. Who else in that firm?

Mrs. HING. We have four people besides. I don't know the names of his men. We have one Dr. Wong.

Mr. BUSIEK. Dr. who?

Mrs. HING. Dr. Wong.

Mr. BUSIEK. Wang?

Mrs. HING. W-o-n-g. You will have to ask my husband those names, he can tell you better than I can.

Mr. BUSIEK. Is he a practicing physician?

Mrs. HING. He is in China, but not here. We don't sell only patent medicines. We don't examine people, or such as that.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where do you get the medicines?

Mrs. HING. We get them from China and America; we use both.

Mr. BUSIEK. Who makes the medicines-who compounds them?

Mrs. HING. My husband does; the doctors.

Mr. BUSIEK. Through what port did you bring these boys?

Mrs. HING. I came through Vancouver, right straight through.

I was to

have landed at Seattle, but they stopped us at Vancouver, and made us go over the Canadian Pacific Railroad Co.

Mr. BUSIEK. How many immigration officers have come to see you-that is, come to see you in regard to these students?

Mrs. HING. Nobody but Mr. Monroe.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did Mr. Monroe come to see you, or did you go to see Mr. Monroe?

Mrs. HING. I went to see Mr. Monroe, and he came to me and told me I must find those boys.

Mr. BUSIEK. How many of them did you find?

Mrs. HING. I haven't found a good many of them. We have them all by number. I don't know a lot of their names, and my husband writes and we try to find out, and by the time we get there some of them have gone. Two or three of them have stated that owing to the war their father has become poor, and they had to work in the summer to go to school in the winter. I don't know how true it is. If I had the money I would go and find them.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long were the students detained at Vancouver?

Mrs. HING. Three or four days.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you have the money for them, or did the boys have it themselves?

Mrs. HING. They had to send to Chicago and different places a telegram.

I think you will see that registered, to get their money to pay their railroad fare on.

Mr. BUSIEK. Any questions by the commissioners?

Commissioner O'CONNELL. Are you and your husband the owners of this 0. & O. Medicine Co.?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. These people that are there work for you? Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; that is, they are in business with us, we have them as partners. We put up shares together and opened that, and I am getting all the Chinese to go together and patent their medicines and register it in Washington and try to do the American way.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. You say you don't examine patients at all?

Mrs. HING. No, sir; we are not allowed to do that; that would be against the law.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. You sell medicine to cure any ill they complain of?

Mrs. HING. They have never made complaint of any case we have doctored.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. If I would go to you for medicine you would ask me what I wanted it for?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; we would ask you; we would have to ask you that or we could not sell it. You will excuse my expression, I don't mean to bè impertinent, but if we would sell toothache medicine for some inside complaint we would do ourselves injury and the patient, too. We have to ask.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. They tell you what is wrong and you simply judge by that?

Mrs. HING. If they are very sick we call in a consulting physician. Commissioner O'CONNELL. You advertise your medicine to cure a great number of things?

Mrs. HING. No, sir; we claim we can cure any curable disease at all. We don't cure anything that the other doctors say they can't cure.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. You attempt to cure tubercular patients? Mrs. HING. They have had success in certain cases of that kind. Like consumption, they can't cure that, or cancer, or such things as that they don't profess to cure it.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. Have you a stipulated price for the medicine? Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; a dollar and a half for certain medicines and a dollar for others. Of course we have to warm the medicine. Every day the patient has to come and drink at the house. It is a herb root medicine, and anybody can come and see us cook it. They come there right to the house and drink it. Commissioner O'CONNELL. How much medicine do you sell?

Mrs. HING. Not sell very much; the business very quiet.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. Do you sell a hundred dollars a week?

Mrs. HING. Nothing like that now. We did a while back; but, of course, the doctors have objected, and we don't try. We don't advertise or anything any

more.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. Your place is down the street?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. I see three or four windows with large signs painted on them; that is your place?

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. There is considerable advertisement on those

windows.

Mrs. HING. Yes, sir; we are going to take that off. We have registered and we have patented our medicine.

Commissioner O'CONNELL. That is all.

Chairman WALSH. That is all; thank you.
Mr. BUSIEK. Moy J. Hing.

TESTIMONY OF MR. MOY J. HING.

Chairman WALSH. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give in the hearing now pending before this commission, being an investigation as to the alleged smuggling of Chinese into the United States, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. State your name in full.

Mr. HING. Moy J. Hing.

Mr. BUSIEK. Moy J. Hing?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Please speak out so that the commissioners can hear you. Where were you born?

Mr. HING. At Portland, Oreg.

Mr. BUSIEK. When?

Mr. HING. Thirty-nine years ago.

Mr. BUSIEK. Thirty-nine years ago?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And where were you educated?

Mr. HING. Why, in Portland.

Mr. BUSIEK. In the common schools of Portland?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIER. How long did you attend?

Mr. HING. I attended there four years.

Mr. BUSIEK. And how old were you when you quit school?

Mr. HING. I quit school when I was 16.

Mr. BUSIEK. Then what did you do?

Mr. HING. I was working around.

Mr. BUSIEK. Working in laundries?

Mr. HING. No, sir; as cooking and working in Chinese bazaars or something like that.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long did you work as a cook?

Mr. HING. I worked as cook three years.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long did you work in bazaars?

Mr. HING. Different times-five or six years.

Mr. BUSIEK. Then what did you do?

Mr. HING. Well, then, I got married at New York; and then I went about--kept Chinese restaurant in Detroit for a while, and then I go to China.

Mr. BUSIEK, Whom did you marry in New York?

Mr. HING. Sarah Lee.

Mr. BUSIEK. You say you were 16 when you quit school and you cooked three years until about 19, and then you worked in the bazaars six years; that would make you about 25 when you were married; is that right?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir; something like that.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long have you been married?

Mr. HING. It is over 10 years; I can't remember. I remember I married in New York on February 11, but I forget the year.

Mr. BUSIEK. Mrs. Hing says she has been married to you nine years; that would be about right?

Mr. HING. She must be right.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you do anything else have any other occupation than that of cook for three years and working in bazaars about six years?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What else did you do?

Mr. HING. And the rest of the time when in America before

Mr. BUSIEK. I mean before you were married.

Mr. HING. Yes, sir; and waiting on table in Chicago and those places.

Mr. BUSIEK. You waited table in Chicago?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long did you put in at that?

Mr. HING. Why, I think at different places for a few years.

Mr. BUSIEK. How many years?

Mr. HING. I can't tell you exactly.

Mr. BUSIEK. About how long?

Mr. HING. About four or five, something like that.

Mr. BUSIEK. In Chicago?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What places?

Mr. HING. In Chicago, on Twelfth Street, and Detroit, and Cleveland, Ohio, . and Buffalo.

Mr. BUSIEK. Who was the Chinese inspector at Chicago when you were there?

Mr. HING. I don't know.

Mr. BUSIEK. Who was the Chinese inspector at Cleveland?

Mr. HING. At Cleveland we haven't-you mean Chinese or American?

Mr. BUSIEK. The inspector of Chinese, the immigration inspector?

Mr. HING. I don't know them at all.

Mr. BUSIEK. What restaurant did you work at in Cleveland?

Mr. HING. Hongkong.

Mr. BUSIEK. Didn't you know a man by the name of George Cullen there at Cleveland?

Mr. HING. No, sir; I don't believe I did. Maybe if I saw him I know him. Mr. BUSIEK. What were you doing in New York when you married Mrs. Hing?

Mr. HING. I wasn't living in New York; I just passed through to marry her, is all.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where did you meet Mrs. Hing?

Mr. HING. I met her in Chicago.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was Mrs. Hing doing at the time?

Mr. HING. She was attending some Sunday school there in Chicago,

Mr. BUSIEK. Were you attending that same mission?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What church was that?

Mr. HING. That is the Baptist.

Mr. BUSIEK. Baptist Church?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And where was that-what year was it?

Mr. HING. That is the year I was in Chicago, I don't know; 1902 or 1903. Mr. BUSIEK. When did you go to China, what year?

Mr. HING. Six years ago I went to China.

Mr. BUSIEK. In 1908?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Had you ever been in China before?

Mr. HING. No, sir; that is the first time.

Mr. BUSIEK. How did you come to go to China?

Mr. HING. Well, she wanted to go, and she made up our mind to go, and that is all I know. I not intend to go and don't at that time.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where did you get the money to go?

Mr. HING. We both kept a place in Detroit and both worked together and saved the money.

Mr. BUSIEK. What kind of place?

Mr. HING. We kept a restaurant, I forget the man's name, in LaFayette Avenue in Detroit, over a saloon.

Mr. BUSIEK. What was the name of your restaurant?

Mr. HING. I go under the name Fook Hing.

Mr. BUSIEK. What did you do after you got to China?

in China?

Where did you go

Mr. HING. First we arrived at Hongkong, and then we went to the country for two months, and then came back to Hongkong.

Mr. BUSIEK. What did you do in the country?

Mr. HING. Didn't do anything.

Mr. BUSIEK. What did you go for?

Mr. HING. I never had been there and I go to see how the country is, and we come back to Hongkong and open a school to teach English.

Mr. BUSIEK. What Province did your people come from?

Mr. HING. Canton.

Mr. BUSIEK. Canton?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And where did you go after you left Hongkong?
Mr. HING. Go to Canton.

Mr. BUSIEK. And your people live there?

Mr. HING. Yes, sir; about 22 miles from there.

Mr. BUSIEK. And your father and mother lived there?

Mr. HING. Just my mother.

Mr. BUSIEK. Your mother?

Mr. HING. Yes.

Mr. BUSIEK. And you went back to visit her?

Mr. HING. Yes.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where is your father?

Mr. HING. My father is dead.

Mr. BUSIEK. When did he die?

Mr. HING. He died in Portland, Oreg. It is a long time ago.

Chairman WALSH. Speak a little louder, Mr. Hing.

Mr. HING. Yes. My father he died at Portland, Oreg., and I forget the year. Chairman WALSH. How old was he when he died?

Mr. HING. I think about 12 or 13 years old.

Chairman WALSH. How old was he, I say, when he died?

Mr. HING. I don't know.

Chairman WALSH. How old were you?

Mr. HING. About 12 or 13.

Chairman WALSH. Were you born in China?

Mr. HING. No.

Chairman WALSH. What school did you go to in Portland?
Mr. HING. The public school.

Chairman WALSH. What school?

Mr. HING. That is in Second-I forget the school's name.

Chairman WALSH. Where did you live when you went to school in Port

land?

Mr. HING. I lived in Mary Street.

Chairman WALSH. Where?