Mr. MARSHALL. We understand the census is not complete, and the last census did not include the Chinese.

Commissioner O'CONNELL, Say there are 4,000 Chinamen in Boston, what do those 4,000 Chinamen do with their lustful desires?

Mr. SULLIVAN. They are playing upon the meretricous ladies.

Acting Chairman WEINSTOCK. Do women take the Chinamen here?

Mr. SULLIVAN. Yes.

Acting Chairman WEINSTOCK. They do?

Mr. MARSHALL. A Chinaman will give up all kinds of money. I don't want to butt in here.

Mr. SULLIVAN. Go ahead.

Mr. MARSHALL, I had a friend come out to see me about some lithographic work, and he told me he was talking to a police officer down in Chinatown one night and the officer told him they took a young girl out of one of the places in Chinatown a few nights previous to that. This is only one incident that occurs, and that she had sexual intercourse with 21 Chinamen at 50 cents a head. I presume that could all be verified. That is something recent that just happened to be told me in the private office. I had nothing to do with the Chinese business, but I know something of it.

Mr. SULLIVAN. If I may say something confidential at this time, I don't know what it amounts to, but here a few months ago, I think it was the Sunday afternoon I was going down through Chinatown, cutting through to the south station on the way to Washington, and an officer spoke to me. His face was familiar, and, of course, we have coming into the United States attorney's office and into the courts there, at least, police officers around the city, necessary witnesses in cases, so that I got to know a good many by appearance, at least, if I don't remember the names. He spoke to me, and I think his name is Sullivan. He is a roundsman there. He gave me to understand that the disposition of his captain, the captain of his division, was that he should not be of too ready assistance to the United States officials either in helping to discover smuggled Chinamen or smuggled opium, and that in one or two instances where he had loaned a hand to the Government officers he had been rebuked by his captain.

Those fellows conduct their gambling houses down there almost open, and it was intimated to me that the captain of the district was probably receiving his rakeoff, so that he said, "I see a strange Chinaman come in here, and green Chinamen every day, every day." But he says, "I have not reported it to anybody because I am given to understand it is none of my business." Any other offenses committed are promptly reported by officers, so that I think that some word brought to the attention of the police commissioner of Boston might be of some assistance to the Immigration Bureau, if they solicit their assistance.

Of course, our Government forces are really without any police-force service. We are dependent upon the police officers of the various cities. If they do not report to us, of course, there is much that will escape us, and it is only by cooperating with the police departments that we can get service. In all departments they get good service but because they cooperate with the local police force, and I think if the immigration office were to establish a cordial relation with the police heads in the city, in the various cities, they would get a lot of information which is now escaping.

Acting Chairman WEINSTOCK. Are there any other questions to be asked of the gentlemen? Have you any other questions, Mr. Busiek?

Mr. BUSIEK, No.

Acting Chairman WEINSTOCK. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

Mr. BUSIEK. I will keep in touch with you.

Mr. SULLIVAN. I will leave this report with you. From reading the reports of the investigator you will probably get some notion of how those fellows live and the hours they put in working in the laundries in Boston, in the Chinese laundries. I wish you would return those to me, Mr. Busiek.

Mr. BUSIEK. I will return those to you promptly.

Acting Chairman WEINSTOCK. The hearing stands adjourned.

SEATTLE, WASH., Monday, August 17, 1914-10 a. m. Present: Chairman Walsh, Commissioners Garretson, O'Connell, Lennon, and Commons, E. H. Busiek, Esq., counsel, examining. W. O. Thompson,

counsel.

Chairman WALSH. The commission will please be in order. Call your first witness.

Mr. BUSIEK. Mr. Tape.

TESTIMONY OF MR. FRANK H. TAPE.

Mr. BUSIEK. State your full name.

Mr. TAPE. Frank Harvey Tape.

Mr. BUSIEK. And your address.

Mr. TAPE. 1618 Thirty-fourth Avenue.

Mr. BUSIEK. Seattle?

Mr. TAPE. Seattle.

Mr. BUSIEK. You are in the United States Immigration Service?
Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. How long have you been in the United States Immigration Service?

of.

Mr. TAPE. Since 1903.

Mr. BUSIEK. What have been your stations?

Mr. TAPE. St. Louis, Portland, and Seattle as stations, I have worked out

I have worked in different towns all over the United States on special work.

Mr. BUSIEK. On special work?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is your compensation?

Mr. TAPE. I get $110 a month.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you any independent means?

Mr. TAPE. Have I what?

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you any other source of income?

Mr. TAPE. I have some private business on the outside.
Mr. BUSIEK. What is the nature of this business?

Mr. TAPE. Oh, little investments I made.

Mr. BUSIEK. What kind of investments?

Mr. TAPE. Well, I loaned money out.

Mr. BUSIEK. To whom?

Mr. TAPE. To different Chinese.

Mr. BUSIEK. Will you give the commission their names?

Mr. TAPE. Why, no; I never loaned it myself. I loaned it through a third party.

Mr. BUSIEK. Who is the third party?

Mr. TAPE. A Chinese here in town.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is his name?

Mr. TAPE. Why, I don't

Mr. BUSIEK. Speak up, so the commission can hear you.
Chairman WALSH. Say, you omitted to swear Mr. Tape.

are swearing the witnesses. Hold up your right hand, please.

You know we

You do solemnly swear that the testimony which you are about to give at the hearing now pending before this commission, being an investigation into the alleged smuggling of Asiatics into the United States, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. TAPE. I do.

Chairman WALSH. Let the record show that the witness is sworn.

Mr. BUSIEK. Now, you said that in addition to your salary you have investments which are made through a third person, a Chinaman?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And the question is: What is this Chinese name?

Mr. TAPE. The Chinese is Lew Mun-L-e-w M-u-n.

Mr. BUSIEK. L-e-w M-u-n?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where does he live?

Mr. TAPE. Why, I don't know where he lives, to tell you the truth.
Mr BUSIEK. Where do you meet him?

Mr. TAPE. He comes to see me, and I meet him in a Chinese store.

Mr. BUSIEK. And has he a place of business?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. How much money have you placed through him?

Mr. TAPE. Oh, $500 and more at different times.

Mr. BUSIEK. Five hundred dollars how many different times?

Mr. TAPE. And more at different times.

Mr. BUSIEK. About how much in a year's time?

Mr. TAPE. Well, I don't know. We keep rotating the money backward and forth.

Mr. BUSIEK. How much do you keep rotating?

Mr. TAPE. Anywhere from five to eight, nine hundred dollars.

Mr. BUSIEK. Five, eight, nine hundred dollars?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you any other business besides this loan business that you are engaged in and in which you have five or eight or nine hundred dollars? Mr. TAPE. I have investments in canneries here.

Mr. BUSIEK. Investments in cauneries?

Mr. TAPE. Cannery contracts.

Mr. BUSIEK. What cannery?

Mr. TAPE. I have contracts with Chinese in different canneries through a third party?

Mr. BUSIEK. Who is the third party?

Mr. TAPE. One Charley Yuen.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is his address?

Mr. TAPE. Why, he lives-he is found at King Chum Lum Co.'s store. That is where he has his headquarters.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is your income per year from this source?

Mr. TAPE. I don't know exactly. I think, last season, it was somewhere around eighteen or nineteen hundred dollars.

Mr. BUSIEK. And Chinese of what sort is that?

Mr. TAPE. Canning contracts.

Mr. BUSIEK. What kind of contracts?

Mr. TAPE. Contracting Chinese labor working in canneries, and we get so much for overpacking, you know.

Mr. BUSIEK. Does your name appear on any of these contracts?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIER. Have you any writing with your partner in regard to this?
Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you a copy of it?

Mr. TAPE. I have at the end of the season we settle up and have a regular Chinese-the regular writing in Chinese how much business we did during the

year.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you a copy of that?

Mr. TAPE. I have not with me.

Mr. BUSIEK. Can you produce it?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Will you produce it and give the commission a copy this afternoon?

Mr. TAPE. It is in Chinese, you will have to have it translated.

Mr. BUSIEK. We will have it translated. These payments are made at the end of the season?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And there is only one settlement on that?

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. And that amounted to about $1,800 last year?

Mr. TAPE. I could not tell you just now exactly what the figures are. I have them in my book.

Mr. BUSIEK. In round numbers that was about $1,800?

Mr. TAPE. Well, I can't state just now.

Mr. BUSIEK We don't care for the exact figures right now, but it was over $1,500, was it?

Mr. TAPE. Well, I don't know exactly, I have it all down on a book.

Mr. BUSIEK. When was this settlement made?

Mr. TAPE. One was made in 1912, and one nineteen-I had different ones.

Mr. BUSIEK. When was the one made in 1913?

Mr. TAPE. In 1912 was the last one I had with the canneries.

Mr. BUSIEK. What month.

Mr. TAPE. I think the settlement was made in around October.

Mr. BUSIEK. In October, 1912?

Mr. TAPE. I am not sure; October or November.

Mr. BUSIEK. What did you do with the money you got at that time?

Mr. TAPE. I kept it and invested it.

Mr. BUSIEK. Did you deposit it?

Mr. TAPE. Some of it I did and some I did not.

Mr. BUSIEK. About how much of it did you deposit in hundreds of dollars? Mr. TAPE. I do not remember just now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Would you say that you deposited half of it at one time?

Mr. TAPE. I might have. I do not remember.

Mr. BUSIEK. Try to charge your memory. You say you received somewhere

in the neighborhood of $1,800, and you do not know how much of that-you could not come within $100 of how much you deposited at that time?

Mr. TAPE. I can not right now.

Mr. BUSIEK. What other investments have you?

Mr. TAPE. You mean at the present time?

Mr. BUSIEK. Yes. Or, say, in the last year, what other productive investments have you had, or what other sources of income besides those mentioned? Mr. TAPE. I do not-nothing else, I do not think.

Mr. BUSIEK. Nothing else.

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. About how much money did you handle last year in your personal account?

Mr. TAPE. I do not know.

Mr. BUSIEK. What bank did you keep your money in?

Mr. TAPE. National Bank of Commerce.

Mr. BUSIEK. Would you say it was as much as $9,500?

Mr. TAPE. Last year?

Mr. BUSIEK. Yes.

Mr. TAPE. I never figured it up.

Mr. BUSIEK. You never figured it up?

Mr. TAPE. No.

Mr. BUSIEK. Would you say it was as much as $9,500? I will ask you to examine these and tell the commission what they are [handing a number of slips to witness]. Are those deposit slips made by you?

Mr. TAPE. I can not say now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Well, do they look like yours?

Mr. TAPE. There is one here for $500, June 16

Mr. BUSIEK. Is that yours?

Mr. TAPE. I borrowed $500 from a bank, and I think that is the day I borrowed it and deposited—another bank.

Mr. BUSIEK. What bank did you borrow it from?

Mr. TAPE. From the Specie Bank of Seattle.

Mr. BUSIEK. Where is that?

Mr. TAPE. It is up on Sixth Avenue between King and Jackson.

Mr. BUSIEK. Well, now, you have looked at some of those. Those you have looked at-do they contain your signature, Mr. Tape?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Have you any idea whose it is?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir; it is not my handwriting at all.

Mr. BUSIEK. Are you prepared to say that you did not make those deposits on the dates indicated on those deposit slips?

Chairman WALSH. Ask him whose handwriting that is.

Mr. BUSIEK. Do you know whose handwriting it is?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Ever see it before?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Do you keep a clerk?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Does any person in your family do clerical work?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Are you prepared to state that during the year 19-, during the last year, you have not had on deposit and checked out $9,500? Is it not a fact, Mr. Tape, that this is a correct statement of your bank account taken from the books of the bank? [Papers handed to the witness and examined by him.] Have you your bank book with you?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Mr. BUSIER. Can you produce that at 2 o'clock?

Mr. TAPE. This bank book?

Mr. BUSIEK. Yes.

MI. TAPE. It is in my lawyer's office now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Well, you can get it from your lawyer, could you not?
Chairman WALSH. Wait a minute.

produce?

Mr. BUSIEK. His bank book.

Chairman WALSH. Covering what? period?

What was it you asked Mr. Tape to

With what bank and during what

Mr. BUSIEK. With the National Bank of Commerce and covering the last three years.

Chairman WALSH. Now, what did Mr. Tape say about producing that at 2 o'clock? What did you say about it?

Mr. TAPE. I have the book, but I left it in my lawyer's office with some other papers I have.

Chairman WALSH. When?

Mr. TAPE. About a month ago. I never turned it over to anybody; I just put it away there.

Chairman WALSH. What is the lawyer's name?

Mr. TAPE. A man by the name of Place up here.
Chairman WALSH. The first name?

Mr. TAPE. Victor.

Chairman WALSH. Victor Place?

Mr. TAPE. He hasn't it.

Chairman WALSH. HOW is that?

Mr. TAPE. He hasn't it.

Chairman WALSH. Well, where is it?

Mr. TAPE. I left it in-put it away up there.

Chairman WALSH. How is that?

Mr. TAPE. I put it away up there; gave it to a party to keep for me.
Chairman WALSH. Who did you give it to?

Mr. TAPE. Oh, I don't care to state.

Chairman WALSH. Do you refuse to state?

Mr. TAPE. I do at this time, but I can get the book.

Chairman WALSH. What?

Mr. TAPE. I will get the book.

Chairman WALSH. Why do you refuse to state?

Mr. TAPE. There is a party-I can get the book.

Chairman WALSH. Oh, you say you can get the book?

Mr. TAPE. Yes; I can get it. I will produce it.

Chairman WALSH. Produce the book here at 2 o'clock.

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Chairman WALSH. One minute. Is that your current book-the book you use now?

Mr. TAPE. I am not banking with that bank.

Chairman WALSH. Where are you banking now?

Mr. TAPE. Northern Bank of Commerce-no; Northern Bank of Trust, I believe, it is.

Chairman WALSH. Have you that book with you?

Mr. TAPE. No, sir.

Chairman WALSH. Where is it now?

Mr. TAPE. I have it home.

Chairman WALSH. Also produce that at 2 o'clock.

Mr. TAPE. Yes, sir.

Mr. BUSIEK. Now, what other banks have you done business with in the Jast three years?

Mr. TAPE. No other banks.

Mr. BUSIEK. What is that?

Mr. TAPE. No other banks.

Mr. BUSIEK. Now, this $1,800 which you say you received on your canning contracts you deposited part of that, and what did you do with the rest? Mr. TAPE. Oh, I don't remember now.

Mr. BUSIEK. Spend it currently?

Mr. TAPE. I might have. I don't remember.