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Mr. BURKE. I should think so. However, I do not know as there is any need for that kind of legislation because they do not operate in a licensed way as do the carriers; that is, the rates and costs and the price are not set by legislation or by administrative action.

I think that at the present time, if they so desired, if General Motors desired to furnish that type of equipment without cost, I think they could do it.

Mr. WILLIAMS. That may have been a bit alien to the question at hand but I thought I would find out for my own information anyhow.

Mr. BURKE. Yes, sir.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Next we have Miss Marion Sikora, of Detroit, Mich.



Miss SIKORA. Mr. Chairman, it is a real pleasure to be here today, and I am only here from Detroit because I was fortunate enough to be chosen by the Detroit lodge, at its expense, to testify here this afternoon.

During my lifetime I have foregone all vacations or pleasure trips because of the expense a trip such as this entails to a person in my position. It is necessary for me to have someone with me in my own city, so naturally an attendant on foreign soil is an absolute must.

It is true that one gives up many pleasures when one is in a wheel chair. However, there have been times a trip has been necessary because of death or sickness. These trips have really proven a hardship in as much as I had to pay traveling expenses plus living expenses for myself as well as my attendant.

I know I speak for thousands in this same situation. Also people who have a difficult time on crutches have this same problem.

I am certain that if you gentlemen would place yourselves in a severely handicapped person's position for one brief moment, you would understand how 1 or 2 trips a year gives this person a new perspective on life in general.

For this reason I say what a wonderful thing it would be if two could travel for the price of one.

We most respectfully urge your approval of this necessary legislation.

Thank you.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Thank you, Miss Sikora.
I believe that was the last witness we had listed.
Is there anyone else?

Mr. STRACHAN. Mr. Chairman, the only thing I can say is that I believe from my canvassing that you will not have any difficulty in putting this bill through.

I fully understand that you have a Rules Committee to go through, but Mr. Priest promised me and said, "Paul, you have something bere that is absolutely fair and just and I am convinced that our subcommittee will see it the same way.”

I thank you very much.

Mr. WILLIAMS. Mr. Strachan, on behalf of our chairman, Mr. Priest, myself, and Mr. Carrigg, and other members of the committee who were not able to be here today, but who will have the benefit of the printed hearings, we would like to express our appreciation to you and your associates for your appearance here.

I realize that it took a great deal of effort on the part of each of you to get here, and for that reason the committee is doubly appreciative.

If that is all the testimony, then the committee will stand adjourned and this matter will be taken up in executive session.

(Whereupon, at 2:50 p. m., the subcommittee recessed, subject to the call of the Chair.)





Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 10 a. m., pursuant to adjournment, in room 1334, New House Office Building, Hon. Oren Harris (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. Harris. Let the committee come to order. We must proceed, because we have so many witnesses to be heard this morning.

I observed that a great deal of progress was made yesterday afternoon, and a good many witnesses were given an opportunity of being heard. I am gratified that this progress was made, because we are coming into the final few days of these far-reaching, important, and elaborate hearings. We want to accommodate everyone insofar as is possible.

I again repeat that these hearings on the Cabinet Committee report and the enabling legislation thereto have been underway since in April, and we have had, I think, as thorough and extensive hearings on this subject as have been held in the last 15 years.

I am sure all of those here this morning and the many, many other witnesses who have preceded you fully understand that we are now assembling the most outstanding record on the entire subject of surface transportation and water transportation that we have held in a good many years. We feel that it is going to be wholesome. We know that it is going to take a long time to analyze fully the hearings, and the committee hopes to be able to do that in the immediate future and during the rest of the year.

We have today here the Waterways Council Opposed to Regulation Extension.

There are a number of people, members of the Waterways Council, who have come from throughout the United States to express their views in connection with the omnibus bill to amend the Interstate Commerce Act in accordance with the recommendations of the Cabinet Committee's report.

Mr. David A. Wright, chairman of the Waterways Council Opposed to Regulation Extension, is spokesman for this group.

It is my understanding there are others here to supplement his statement, and also Mr. James Knudson will speak for the record, together with Mr. Wright, for the Waterways Council. Mr. Wright, we will be glad to recognize you at this time.


Mr. Wright. Thank you. My name is David A. Wright. I am national chairman of a temporary organization known as the Waterways Council Opposed to Regulation Extension, with offices at 21 West Street, New York City. My principal occupation is as president of Lake Tankers Corp. and National Oil Transport Corp., contract carriers of liquid commodities in bulk upon the inland waters of the United States. I am also president of the New York State Waterways Association, a director of the American Waterway Operators, Inc., of the Mississippi Valley Association, and a trustee of the Ohio Valley Improvement Association.

To conserve the committee's time, I shall not read my statement in full, but request that all of it be included in the record.

I appear here today as the spokesman and the chairman of the Waterways Council Opposed to Regulation Extension for the purpose of opposing the enactment of section 14 and related sections 13, 16, and 18 of H. R. 6141, or any similar legislation designed to extend regulation by the Interstate Commerce Commission over the now exempt transportation of dry bulk commodities moving on the inland waterways. I should add that I am serving on an unpaid basis as chairman of this temporary organization established for the sole purpose of opposing this type of regulation extension.

Our organization was formed March 17, 1954, immediately following the introduction in the Senate of S. 3111 of the 83d Congress, a bill which would have had substantially the same effect as section 14 of H. R. 6141 which is the subject of these hearings. Our membership which totals approximately 160 includes a substantial number of water carriers—common, contract, and private; some shippers, some terminal operators, and a few business organizations and indi. viduals interested in opposition to the extension of regulation by the ICC in the field of water transportation. The membership has a widespread geographic distribution with representation not only on the east, gulf, and west coasts but on the Great Lakes and throughout the Mississippi River system.

Many of the members of our organization were anxious to testify before this committee concerning their opposition to the repeal of the dry bulk commodity exemption. In order to conserve the committee's time and to avoid unnecessary implication and repetition, it was ararnged that I should appear here today as their spokesman. However, a number of these men who are officials of the carrier concerns who would be directly affected by the extension of regulation have come to Washington today expressly for the purpose of attending this hearing and showing by their presence their interest in and support of the case in opposition to section 14 of this bill or any other legislation that would be designed to extend Interstate Commerce Commission regulation to the movement of bulk commodities.

I had intended to introduce them individually to the committee but, again, to save time, since a list of their names is being made available to the committee, I shall ask them to stand as a body. There are a few persons present whose names are not on the list and I shall give their names to the clerk following the hearing.

Will you gentlemen please stand?
Mr. Harris. We will be very glad to have you introduce them.

Will you gentlemen stand for just a moment? I observe here in the list that has been given to me:

J. F. Belford, Jr., vice president, Seaboard Shipping Corp., 17 Battery Place, New York, N. Y.;

Řea Eastwood, vice president, Lea River Lines, Inc., 1813 Ranstead Street, Philadelphia, Pa.;

E. W. Graver, secretary, Lea River Lines, 1813 Ranstead Street, Philadelphia, Pa.;

H. C. Blutenthal, Jr., vice president and treasurer, Midwest Towing Co., Inc., 111 North Wabash Avenue, Chicago, Ill. ;

J. P. Beebe, manager, supply and distribution, Smith Oil & Refining Co., 1102 Kilburn Avenue, Rockford, Ill. ;

Harry B. Dyer, president, Nashville Bridge Co., Nashville, Tenn.;

J. L. Diggs, manager, chartering and traffic division, marine department, the Texas Co., 135 East 42d Street, New York, N. Y.;

Gresham Hougland, Walter G. Hougland Sons, Inc., 1231 South Third Street, Post Office Box 1040, Paducah, Ky.;

Jesse Brent, president, Greenville Towing Co., Inc., Greenville, Miss. ;

G. G. McCool, secretary-treasurer, Greenville Transportation Co., Greenville, Miss.;

J. G. Robison, general traffic manager, Pennsylvania Salt Manufacturing Co., Three Penn Center Plaza, Philadelphia, Pa.;

Kenneth A. Baker, manager, marine department, J. D. Streett & Co., Inc., 4067 Park Avenue, St. Louis 10, Mo.;

Joseph F. Carroll, Jr., vice president, Dalzell Towing Co., Inc., 21 West Street, New York, N. Y.;

C. W. Rushing, general manager, Missouri Barge Line Co., 231 Sorth Maine Street, Cape Girardeau, Mo.;

G. W. Gladders, president, G. W. Gladders Towing Co., Inc., 217 Clayton-Forsythe Building, 8230 Forsythe Boulevard, St. Louis 24, No.:

Edward D. Kelly, vice president, M. & J. Tracy, Inc., 1 Broadway, New York, N. Y.

Robert H. Beattie, president, Oil Transport Co., 2837 Tchoupitoulas Street, Post Office Box 1704, New Orleans, La.;

G. H. Schmidt, traffic manager, Marine Transportation, Phillips Petroleum Co., Bartlesville, Okla.;

Ira U. Cobleigh, president and secretary, the Wright & Cobb Lighterage Co., 19 Rector Street, New York, N. Y.;

V. M. Edmunds, Philadelphia manager, Spentonbush Fuel Transport Service, Inc., 1700 Sansom Street, Philadelphia, Pa.;

Capt. J. W. Banta, president, Plaquemine Towing Corp., Post Office Box 66. Plaquemine, La.;

Weston B. Grimes, counsel, Cargill, Inc., Minnesota;
Floyd A. Mechling, president, Mechling Barge Lines, Joliet, Ill.;

Capt. Thorton D. Hooper, Sr., chairman of the board, Interstate Oil & Transport Co., 2101 Sansom Street, Philadelphia, Pa.;

Lloyd L. Leonard, traffic manager, Sioux City & New Orleans Barge Lines, Inc., Board of Trade Building, Kansas City, Mo.


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