Mr. WOODRUM. Not necessarily. If the permanent law is passed, you can anticipate the appropriation for the next fiscal year in asking for bids. USE OF AMBULANCES What is the life of an ambulance? There is not much wear and tear on such a vehicle, is there, unless it is used for joyriding. General TYNER. It is not very comfortable for that. They use them at the camps for hauling patients to the hospitals, and some of the roads up in the mountains and hills are not good roads. As a rule, the mileage on these ambulances is very high, because they make trips from camp to camp and pick up patients who have to be evacuated to hospitals. Many of the camps are inaccessible and they are very much scattered. We have 2,084 camps to which we have to give medical evacuation. Mr. WOODRUM. How many ambulances do you have in the C. C. C. service? General TYNER. We have 958 now. Mr. WOODRUM. What kind are they? Are some of them somewhat elaborate? General TYNER. I do not know. All that I have seen seem to be about the same. General GIBBINS. There are several different makes, but they are bought on the same requirements or the same specifications under which we buy for the Army. Mr. WOODRUM. What are the prices? General GIBBINS. They will run around $1,000. REPLACEMENT OF AUTOMOBILES General GIBBINS. What we are asking for now is about 10 percent replacement. Mr. WOODRUM. How many cars do you have? General TYNER. We have 795. Mr. WOODRUM. How many do you want to replace? General TYNER. I have that figure. It is 119. EXPENDITURES FOR GASOLINE AND OIL Mr. TABER. How much do you spend for gasoline for these automobiles in the separate divisions of the C. C. C.? Can you furnish that information? Mr. FECHNER. Yes, sir; we can give the committee that information. Mr. TABER. I wish you would do that, and tell us how much you are paying for gasoline. Mr. FECHNER. All right. Mr. TABER. Can you tell us now offhand? Mr. FECHNER. No, sir. General GIBBINS. It is a little more than we pay in the Army because we buy gasoline at isolated places. The Departments of War, Agriculture, and the Interior state that the average price paid for gasoline, July 1, 1936-March 31, 1937, is approximately $0.099 per gallon.) General TYNER. We expect to spend in the first 9 months of this fiscal year approximately $2,000,000 for gasoline and oil. Our item for gas and oil appears in column O-2, and the amount is $672,970. That is shown in the last line under the Quartermaster General. Mr. TABER. The amount is $672,970. General TYNER. Yes, sir. Mr. TABER. I do not see your gasoline item. Mr. MORRELL. It is included in this 0-2 item. I do not have a break-down that would segregate it from the other items. It is included in the item of supplies and materials, for which the total estimate is $5,635,475. Mr. TABER. You will furnish a statement showing the cost of gasoline. Mr. MORRELL. Yes, sir; I do not have it segregated from the others here. Mr. TABER. Do you know what it was for the 9-month period. Mr. TABER. Yes; gasoline and oil. Mr. MORRELL. It appears in the previous table. SUPPLIES FOR CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS BOUGHT BY PROCUREMENT DIVISION Mr. TABER. Who buys most of these things for the C. C. C.? Is it done by separate purchasing agencies, or by the Procurement Division? Mr. FECHNER. Through separate purchasing agencies. Mr. TABER. Is a part of it done through the Procurement Division? Mr. FECHNER. I do not think the Procurement Division buys anything for us. Mr. TABER. The Procurement Division told the Treasury Depart-; ment Committee that it bought $229,000,000 worth of things for the C. C. C. Mr. FECHNER. General, do you know of anything they buy? General GIBBINS. I can explain that statement: In some of the corps areas we are supplying our C. C. C. camps with things bought from the general schedule. gen Mr. WIRTH. Before we buy on the market, we check with the eral schedule and if the items that we need appear there, order from the general schedule. Mr. TABER. You purchase it through the Procurement Division if it is on the general schedule. Mr. WIRTH. No, sir; we buy under the contracts, or under their contracts, if it is on their schedule. They have contracts with concerns for certain equipment and material, at a given price, and Government agencies may buy at that price. Mr. TABER. Do you make your purchases that way? General GIBBINS. Our field quartermasters buy from the general schedule. Mr. TABER. Do you have any airplanes? Mr. FECHNER. No, sir. Mr. TABER. In the Agricultural Department, are you expecting to buy any other equipment besides the 1,340 dump trucks you told us about? Mr. MORRELL. There are 950 pick-up trucks, Mr. Taber. Mr. TABER. How much are they supposed to cost? Mr. MORRELL. $475,000. Mr. TABER. What are the 1,340 supposed to cost? Mr. MORRELL. The 1,350 will cost $1,350,000. We estimate the trucks at the average price of $1,000. TRAVEL EXPENSE Mr. TABER. You seem to have a pretty good sized item in here for travel. Are these items as large as they have been, or have you been able to cut them down somewhat? General TYNER. $2,188,000 is for the travel of enrollees. We have to spend that to bring the corps to full strength on the first of every quarter, January, April, and so forth. We have to transport enrollees long distances by rail. We do that on April 1 and October 1, when we take in a little over 100,000 each time. In the other quarters, beginning July 1 and January 1, which are in the middle of the enrollment period, we take in around 50,000 or 60,000. They have to be transported. For instance, in the Ninth Corps Area, which is composed of the States up and down the Pacific coast, we have a great many companies. We have 331 companies there. Mr. TABER. Scattered all over that area? General TYNER. Yes, sir; of those 331 companies, only 107 come from the Ninth Corps Area. The rest of them come from the Central States and the Atlantic coast. The work projects do not coincide with the large centers of population, and we have to provide for the transportation of these companies. DISTRIBUTION OF CAMPS BY STATES AND SERVICE Mr. TABER. Is there a substantial number of camps in the middle part of the country? Mr. FECHNER. The statement showing location of camps is as follows: Table showing number of Civilian Conservation Corps camps, by States, by services as of Jan. 15, 1937 Forest Park Biological survey Agricultural engineering drainage S. C. S. Total, miscellane sno Total, agriculture National State Grazing Reclamation Total, Interior War Alabama Arizona.. Arkansas California. Colorado Connecticut Delaware. District of Columbia. Florida. Georgia. Idaho. 2 228 4 Table showing number of Civilian Conservation Corps camps, by States, by services as of Jan. 15, 1937-Continued * Includes 3 Oregon and California land-grant (O. & G.) companies. Includes 10 Corps of Engineers companies. * Corps of Engineers. 1 2 23 46 450 650 8 225 525 1,500 76 351 24 2 Navy Total, War and Navy Grand total 34 506 74 4 78 2,084 |