It was inspected in the plant, brought there, and if it didn't leak, fine; if it did, they would fix it.

Mr. ROE. But for those towns that do have codes?

Mr. TOBIN. No, in our city they couldn't build it at the present time. HUD wants a national code with a situation to the liking of factory home producers all over the United States, so these houses can be built like an automoible and shipped to Timbuktu, or any place and set in place there without on-site inspection. They can be accepted as they are piped, one deal for the whole Nation.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Could they do that in St. Louis?

Mr. TOBIN. No, I am afraid not.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Or East St. Louis?

Mr. TOBIN. No, they couldn't do it in East St. Louis; they couldn't do it in Chicago because the glorious mayor here had enough gumption to tell them to shelve it.

They can't do it in Rockford because that mayor had gumption. And we are hoping Peoria will have enough gumption to tell them the same thing.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. Are they doing it in Peoria, Ill.?

Mr. TOBIN. Not yet.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. What would you want this committee to do, take it up with HUD and tell them to discontinue?

Mr. TOBIN. Well, what we are really interested in, Mr. Chairman, is to stop HUD from trying to destroy our ordinances.

We realize that Peoria hasn't really got a "pride of ownership" housing shortage. We proved this out. But we do feel that if HUD has to strong-arm this program, then let them have a special code specifically just for this type of construction only; see?

But not to intimidate every city, such as Chicago, Peoria or any place else.

They are not going to intimidate Chicago, that I will guarantee you. So, we figure that HUD should be put on record or notice to try to get through some kind of legislation, maybe, for assembly line one or two dwelling units, get a separate code that is acceptable any place in the world just specifically for that type of construction.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. What would be the difference in the cost of this and the regular plumbing fixtures or pipe, or whatever you call it, between a mobile home and a similar home?

We will take a mobile home.

Mr. TOBIN. Yes, I have it right there, Mr. Chairman (indicating). Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. We will have that in the record.

PEORIA TOBIN BROS., INC.,

CONTRACTORS,
Peoria, Ill.

Soil Pipe Job, 5805 Wacker, Lot 159, LAYCO Subdivision. Start 8:30 a.m., finish 1:30 p.m., 20-min. coffee break.

Roughed in 8 fixtures in 5 hours. Did 1 joint every 10 minutes, using Tyseal rubber gaskets and soil pipe. Waste and vent pipe were used for the sewer connection in the basement through the roof. All water pipe drops roughed in, tub set, faucets, and waste connected and ready for the Drywall men. The plumber is from Peoria Local #63.

51-148 0-70- -14

Plastic Job, 5728 Wacker, Lot 164,, LAYCO Subdivision. Start 9 a.m., finish 2:30 p.m., 10-min. coffee break.

Rough in 7 fixtures. No water drops, tub not connected, no flashings, and estimated time to finish job was 3 hrs. The man left the job because the cement made him dizzy and nauseated. The plumber is from Phoenix Local No. 469.

Mr. TOBIN. A fuel breakdown in a $20,000 home, the difference between plastic pipe and shortcut ordinance over acceptable old proven cast iron methods and proven sanitation laws, the difference was a total of $17 on a $20,000 home.

Mr. ROE. Mr. Chairman, we had testimony back in January of this year from a HUD official saying this particular code modification that we are talking about is an effort to help save the consumer, the homeowner, some funds.

And what you are telling us here today is it means $17?

Mr. TOBIN. Yes.

Mr. ROE. Is that the listing that you handed the chairman?

Mr. TOBIN. Right, that is material cost and labor cost. Cast iron, the conventional way, is cheaper than the plastic. I would like to say, Mr. Chairman, that the journeyman who did the plastic job is a very competent journeyman. He came into Peoria on a union travel card and he is still working for me. He was following procedures put out by the ABS Institute, but before the job was finished, he had to throw out the procedures; otherwise the excess labor cost between the plastic job and the cast iron neoprene gasket job would have been much greater than the figures indicate.

I have pictures.

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. And also the pictures, the photographs, we will have them put in the record, if there is no objection.

(No response.)

Mr. KLUCZYNSKI. It will be so ordered.

(Pictures follow.)